Dr Živadin Jovanović Last Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia

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NATO bombing of Yugoslavia: Peace vs. Interventionism and Imperialism

25 March 2014

The Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals, the Serbian Host Society, the Club of Generals and Admirals of Serbia and Veterans Association of Serbia (SUBNOR), in coordination with the World Peace Council, on 22 and 23 March 2014 held the International Conference "Global Peace vs. Global Interventionism and Imperialism". The Conference was held on the occasion of the 15th anniversary of NATO’s armed aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia). The motto of the Conference was "Not to Forget". The following is the closing statement of the forum which was submitted to the Voice of Russia by the Former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia Živadin Jovanović .

More than 500 scientists, experts and public persons from the areas of the international relations and security, from 50 countries of Europe and the world took part in the work of the Conference.

Participants of the Conference paid tribute to victims of the 78-day bombardment and laid wreaths on memorials. They honored all the victims of the illegal NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro and expressed their deep respect for former Yugoslav Popular Army, Federal Government, President Slobodan Milosevic and all heroic resistant fighters. We also must remember the victims of the NATO aggression subsequent to 1999, ongoing persecution of those political and military leaders who defended the country and who were sent to illegal Hague Tribunal including president Milosevic and others, who died there. Considering this Tribunal as illegal as a tool of NATO propaganda and political blackmailing, the participants demand its dissolution.

The debate unfolded in a constructive and tolerant dialogue regarding most important aspects and problems concerning the international peace and security. The presentations mainly focused on how to preserve global peace and find the ways to stop global interventionism, destabilization of certain countries and provoking the crises all over the world, which undermine the international legal and political world order and pushes the world to the edge of a major confrontation.

The participants analyzed the causes and consequences of NATO aggression in 1999, not only for Serbia and the Balkans but also its global consequences for peace and security in Europe and the world. Further to this, participants of the Conference have agreed as follows:

- NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) of March 1999 was a war imposed against an independent, sovereign European state, in gross violation of the fundamental principles of the international law, most notably, the UN Charter and the Helsinki Final Act. This was the aggression committed without consent the UN Security Council. Hence it is a crime against peace and humanity, and the turning point towards the global interventionism, the practice of gross violation of the international legal order, and the negation of role of the UN. Subsequently it has been used as the model of interventionism in a number of other cases such as in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali and others.

- The leading Western powers, the USA, the UK, France, Germany, followed by the rest of NATO Members, 19 in all, devised a whole new arsenal of euphemisms in a bid to attribute any possible shred of legitimacy to this crime against peace and humanity. So-called "humanitarian intervention" was a cover for indiscriminate killings of civilians in Serbia including children, disabled and senior citizens, for the destruction of the economy, infrastructure, including schools, hospitals, passenger trains and houses. Use of missiles with depleted uranium has contaminated natural environment thus triggering grave and far-reaching consequences for the health of current and future generations.

- Since this is a crime against peace and humanity and a gross violation of the basic provisions of the international law, NATO Member States bear full legal responsibility for the aggression, including liability for the inflicted damage on the order of more than USD 100 billion, as well as responsibility for the use of weapons with depleted uranium and other illicit ordnances of mass destruction. Serbia has the right to initiate the proceedings before the competent international forums against NATO Alliance and all of its member states participating in the aggression, for the purpose of exercising the right to war damage compensation to Serbia and Montenegro as well as to individuals who suffered from aggression.

- Armed aggression has continued by employing other, non-military means. This was reflected in the violent change of power in the October 5, 2000 coup, which was initiated, funded and supported by NATO Member States; in all kind of blackmails and threats aimed at making Serbia denounce its state sovereignty in Kosovo and Metohija as its historical, cultural and civilization heartland; in ignoring UN Security Council Resolution 1244 guaranteeing sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia. Eventually, this led to unlawful and unconstitutional unilateral separation of Kosovo and Metohija in 2008 which was followed by formal recognition by most NATO member countries. The 1999 US NATO aggression grossly violated the UN Charter, 1970 Declaration on principles of International law, Helsinki Final Act, Paris Charter for a New Europe, five Security Council resolutions in 1998-2008, including resolutions 1244 and 1785.

- Immediately after the end of the aggression, a large USA military base has been established in Kosovo and Metohija, "Camp Bondsteel", the first and crucial ring in the chain of the new USA bases in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, the Czech Republic, and other Easter European countries. NATO aggression against Yugoslavia actually accelerated the arms race and militarization of Europe and implementation of US/NATO/EU strategy of "Eastern expansion".

- Aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (FRY) launched in March 1999 has been serving as a blueprint for global USA/NATO/EU interventionism. In practice, this translates the USA, NATO and the West discretion to intervene militarily or otherwise, as they choose to suite their economic or strategic interests. Toppling legally elected governments and replacing them by hand-picked, pawn regimes, has become part and parcel of so called "democratization process".

- NATO has always operated as an aggressive military alliance, serving expansion and of imperialistic and neo-colonial objectives of the leading Western powers. The entire experience so far indicates that NATO strategy of global interventionism leaves behind a chaos in international relations, gigantic human casualties, divisions, and long-lasting misery and anguish in all countries and regions which have become immediate victims of such policy.

- NATO is responsible for devastation of the international legal order, for the degradation of the UN, instigating a new arms race, militarization of Europe, destabilization and inducing crises in individual countries and regions all over the world. Therefore, NATO strategy goes against the goals of peace and security, contravenes the democratic and civilization values, and violates the fundamental human rights. Such an Alliance is not a place for peaceful countries who see their interests in compliance of the international law and the UN system. This is why participants of the Conference pleaded for the dissolution of NATO as a relic of the Cold War, for disengaging in policy of free interventionism, and for the respect of freedom, independence and equality of all countries and nations.

- Exporting democracy and dictating cultural and civilization patterns has become a common approach of all Western powers, primarily of the USA, in their aspiring to govern the world pursuant to their own standards and in line with their self-serving interests. The imposition of such cultural and civilization patterns is an act of violence against reality that almost invariably results in conflicts, internal disorders, and deeper fragmentations and divisions; over time, this is prone to undermine the peace in the world, and presents a perfect excuse for external military interference. This model has created the so-called "colored revolutions" in Georgia, Venezuela and Ukraine and high jacked "Arab Spring revolution", which managed to devastate and turn the clock back for several decades, such as: Libya, Egypt and Syria.

- The strategy of interventionism involves several motives and purposes. These include the control over natural and developmental resources, reallocation of resources, and geopolitical reconfiguration of the world, against and at the expense of the predetermined key geopolitical adversary. This is how the USA/NATO/EU staged the crisis in Ukraine, whose end is still nowhere in sight. One can say that the Ukrainian crisis is the single most dangerous threat to the peace since the end of the Cold War. Instead of acknowledging Ukraine as a natural connection between Russia and Europe, the West chose to interfere, by artificially dislocating it from its natural cultural, civilization, and geopolitical environment and drawing it westwards. In doing so, the West paid no attention at all that the action could lead to internal conflict within Ukraine and that it would put at risk Russia’s vital interests. This dangerous geopolitical game played by America, NATO and the EU against Russia, as a proxy war at the expense of Ukraine under a "fine" but fake excuse of being waged for the benefit of the Ukrainians and their democratic social structure, has completely disregarded the effects of such policy against the interests of Ukraine, its people, the peace, and security in Europe and the world. Participants of the Conference advocated for a peaceful political solution free of interference and external pressures, that is, a solution that will guarantee its peoples will, and respect its role of a bridge between the East and the West. Such solution implies abandonment of the pernicious "Eastern expansion" which has already produced destabilization in Europe. Participants expressed satisfaction that the people of Crimea have used their right of self-determination which resulted in reunification with Russia.

- Participants of the Conference expressed their full support to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia, including the resolution of the issue of Kosovo and Metohija in line with UN Security Council Resolution 1244. They supported the following requests: free, safe and dignified return of 250,000 expelled Serbs and other non-Albanians to their homes in Kosovo and Metohija; restitution of the usurped private, church, state and socially-owned property; reconstruction of 150 destroyed churches and monasteries of the Serbian Orthodox Church, of hundreds of desecrated and obliterated Serbian graveyards and thousands of burnt Serbian homes; conducting effective investigation of trafficking in human organs; determining the fate of all abducted and missing Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija; and identifying and bringing to justice the perpetrators of all other crimes committed against the Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija for which, so far, nobody has been found responsible, let alone convicted.

- Participants of the Conference welcomed worthy initiative of the UN General Assembly which proclaimed 2014 to be the international year of solidarity with the people of Palestine. Finding that this initiative deserves strong support of the peaceful forces in the world, the Conference sent requests for an immediate withdrawal of Israeli occupation forces from all Palestinian territories, for the establishment of independent state of Palestine, within the borders of July 1967 with East Jerusalem as its capital, for the right for the return for the Palestine refugees, based on UN Resolution 194 and the release of all Palestinian prisoners from jail. Fulfillment of these requests is of vital interest for the Palestinian people and for the introduction of a just and durable peace in the Middle East.

- Participants have expressed solidarity with peoples of Latin America in their endeavors to safeguard freedom, independence and sovereignty from aggressive imperial USA strategy. They demanding closing of Guantanamo base and abolishing blockade against Cuba, as well as the release of the five Cuban political prisoners from American jails.

- By dismissing the policies and actions that endanger the peace and security, participants of the Conference denounced plans and actions aimed at destabilizing the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. Coordinated violent actions in Caracas and other parts of Venezuela are parts of the strategy employed by the local oligarchs and external actors, intended to disable the functioning of the legitimately elected government and impose political changes of their choice but against the interests of the Venezuelan people, by sabotage, violent provocations and blackmails. In condemning those attempts, participants of the Conference expressed their solidarity with the Venezuelan people and the support for its courageous efforts to preserve the freedom, pride, and sovereignty of Venezuela, and to decide their own future.

- Participants have expressed concern over systematic organized revision of European history of the 20th century, particularly revision of outcome of the First and the Second World War. This may serve imperialist objectives for redrawing international borders causing unforeseen consequences. We condemn the western promoted rehabilitation of fascism and attempts to equate communism with Nazism.

- Participants of the Conference dedicated significant attention to the global economic capitalist crisis which has led not only to an unprecedented social stratification and impoverishment of the global population, but also to an artificially imposed debt crises in a number of formerly economically very prosperous countries, such as Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Cyprus. The global crisis emerged predominantly in countries which had declared themselves to be the centers of global civilization and the most advanced social order, one that will see no need for serous social conflicts and clashes. The key indicators of this crisis include mass-scale unemployment, especially within the youth, high indebtedness of countries, decline in economic activities, etc. We support the genuine popular protests against the above.

- It is obvious that on Europe and the majority of the world were imposed the neo-liberal cultural, political and economical pattern, which does not function. In the search for the way out of this universal deadlock, the most powerful countries are trying to shift the burden of the crisis onto other countries and nations, ones they pejoratively call "the global periphery", while in the meantime struggling to win the battle for the global prestige, and in the process stepping down onto the old civilizations and forcibly toppling the unsympathetic ruling regimes. All the above only add to the conflicting feature of the international arena, and makes it exceptionally prone to outbreaks of all types of conflicts, from internal and regional, to the global ones.

- Participants at the Conference noted with concern that there are still US forward-based infrastructures in Europe like missile defense, tactical nuclear weapons and conventional forces, that destabilize the regional and the global atmosphere.

- The global economic crisis cannot be resolved by the printing of ever new trillions of dollars and the makeshift mends of the existing system. This can be done by abandoning the neo-liberal concept and by developing a new, humane society of social justice, equality and the better life for all people and nations in the planet. The focus of the new system of social relations must be on people and their economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian needs, instead of the profits and self-serving interests of the so-called economical and political elites.

- A part this International Conference was the Youth Forum, which concluded that the global crisis, and globalization and interventionism primarily threaten the rights and perspectives of the young generations. In numerous countries, in Europe and the world, young people below 30 make up some 60% of the total number of unemployed. The youth requests urgent changes in the social relations and internationally, which will ensure active engagement of the young people into economic, political and societal trends, their assuming responsibility for their own future, at the national and international levels. The youth advocates the socially just society and universal human rights, such as the right to employment, free education, social security and health care. Young people advocate the democratization of international relations, the respect for the international law, and denounce the arms race, militarization and neocolonialism.

- Only a world free of dominance of imperialism and militarism will stand a chance to avoid a war cataclysm. The global economic crises and its consequences on popular strata underline the necessity to overcome the system which causes exploitation, wars and the misery. It is absolutely unacceptable and contrary to the international law to have the regional center of power, such as NATO and the European Union be established as a substitute to the United Nations Security Council.

- The only true international community is the United Nations, rather than any self-proclaimed members of any regional groups. We must struggle to ensure the universal character of the international law and to have it equally oblige big and small countries, developed and developing ones. We have to fight even more resolutely to preserve the civilization heritage such as the freedom, ethics and dignity, while determinedly rejecting all surrogates of the corporative capitalism and imperialism, planted by the military-industrial and finance capital.

Participants of the Conference emphasized that the accomplishment of these objectives required active engagement in mobilizing all peace-loving stakeholders, in order to counter and reject any military and conquest ambitions against any given country regardless of its leaders. In parallel, it is necessary to mobilize all forces in developing democratic international relations, based on the principles of the United Nations Charter, the provisions of the international law, and the strict observance of the inviolability and independence of all states and their territorial integrity, and the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs. Such a world would be measured by a human scale, and this grand utopia should be believed in, and persistently fighting for, and this is the key message from the Conference.

Participant in the Conference expressed sincere gratitude to the Serbian side for the excellent performance of the International Conference and for hospitality extended to all participants.

Belgrade, 23 March 2014

Crimea Sanctions on Russia: Mission Impossible

Download audio file 20 March, 2014 00:49  Part One

Historically Crimea has always been a part of Russia and the referendum and the vote of the people for reunification with the motherland in fact corrects a 20 year old error when Crimea was given to Ukraine like a sack of potatoes. The reaction by the West and its double standards proves that it is unprincipled and only concerned with its own interests. According to Živadin Jovanović the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia the US/NATO and the West are behaving like they are representatives of God Almighty and that the only right is that proclaimed and certified in Washington or Brussels. US/NATO and the West have no problem dangerously allying themselves with mujahidins, Al-Qaeda, UÇK (KLA) terrorists or neo-nazis, as long as they can be exploited.

This is John Robles, I'm speaking with Živadin Jovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part one of the longer interview.

Part 1

Robles: Hello Sir! How are you this is evening?

Jovanović: Fine John. How are you?

Robles: I’m very well. Can you tell us your opinion on the situation in Crimea, it has now become part of the Russian Federation, and the correlations you see with what happened in Kosovo, in Serbia,in Yugoslavia, in particular with the hypocrisy of the West?

Jovanović: Yes, we understand that Crimea had been part and parcel of Russia. And the referendum and the vote of the people now has opted for reunification with the motherland. So the West’s obviously reacts to suit its own interests and does not respect any principles. We are faced with another example of “double standard policy” of the West.

When the Kosovo and Metohija separatists, the Albanian separatists, led by a terrorist organization, proclaimed the separation and independence of Kosovo and Metohija, the West immediately supported this decision and immediately recognized the independence of Kosovo and Metohija claiming that it was a unique case and that the Albanian national minority in Kosovo and Metohija had legitimate reasons and a legitimate right to secede from Serbia.

When we said that it will be a precedent and it may backfire in Europe and elsewhere in the world, they said: “Oh, no, it is a unique case.”

When President Putin in Munich in 2007 said that it is not a unique case, of course, it was not a unique case.

From the very beginning we claimed that it was a precedent and it will backfire on the stability and the situation in Europe, because we know that there are many separatist movements in almost every corner of Europe, not to speak about Africa, Asia, Latin America and so on.

It has really become quite clear that the Western powers have one universal criterion, that is that any event, any claim should suit to their interests. Anything that suits to their interests is proclaimed to be in accordance with international law, in accordance with democratic principles, in accordance with human rights and so on.

When they interfered in the internal affairs of Yugoslavia in 1998, in 1999 and in the year of 2000 and so on, they said: “Well, sovereignty and territorial integrity have lost their classic meanings. Now, with the integration processes in Europe and elsewhere, borders do not have been very essential meaning.”

So, in those years they pumped in hundreds of millions of dollars on the so-called process of democratization in Yugoslavia. Actually, this was financing the opposition in Yugoslavia and trying to bring the so-called democratic opposition of Serbia to power.

They could not do it so simply, they actually had to intervene militarily. And they practically have stolen Kosovo and Metohija from Serbia and later on they have installed the democratic opposition in Belgrade and forces which would respect the western interests.

And ever since then, up to now the authority in Belgrade is characterized as being pro-Western. But nobody really says: ”How about that this authority be pro-Serbian?”

They are not characterized as pro-Serbian, but pro-western. And they keep continuity in always helping structures which will take western interests as national interests.

In Ukraine we saw something similar. They pumped in, as I understand, about $5.5 billion. What for? For the “democratization” of Ukraine. And obviously, they were not accepting a pro-Ukrainian government, they have always tried to install, to bring into power the pro-western government in Ukraine.

And actually, by doing this they have destabilized one of the largest European countries. Now, they act like they are being surprised about the crop that they have from the seeds, that they seeded in Ukraine.

Well, in 1999 we had a precedent, the blueprint which was later on followed in overthrowing the legitimate governments in many other countries which conducted independent policies. And all this NATO aggression in 1999 against Serbia and Montenegro, against the then Yugoslavia had been a turning point towards the globalization of interventionism and a turning point of expansion towards the East.

They have pursued this policy of expansion regardless of the interests of Russia and so on. They did not respect any agreement. They pretend that the privilege of the West is even to not recognize what they sign or what they agree upon.

They have adopted the UN Security Council resolution 1244 about Kosovo and Metohija, about sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia. But ever since then they said: “Well, this was not really what we meant. This was only for the moment.”

And when you react: “How about the decisions, how about the agreements?

They say: “The privilege of the West is not to respect even the signed agreements.”

And we see the consequences of such a policy, of taking into consideration only their selfish interests and disregarding the interests of the others.

We see, for instance in Kosovo and Metohija, that they had an alliance with the clear-cut terrorists – the UÇK organization (Kosovo Liberation Army). They were in alliance conducting military aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999. So, they seem to have double standards in making the difference who are the terrorists and who are not.

Al Qaeda once is a terrorist organization, in other instances, like in Syria, it is a lie. The UÇK until 1998 was a terrorist organization and in 1999 it was proclaimed to be a liberation organization. The only criterion is whether some force, some factors, serves their interests or not.

This is a really very dangerous situation. I think that with such a practice of taking into consideration only their own interests, the West is actually questioning the future of peace and stability in Europe. With that strategy and that policy Europe is not a stable continent any longer.

I think that such a policy of expansion, of disregard of the other countries’ and other nations’ interests is a real danger for the peace and stability in Europe.

Reminder

Robles: Now, we care about peace and stability, but the US doesn’t. They don’t see the people in the countries that they invade and take over as being human or being important. They didn’t care about the Syrian people, they don’t care about the Ukrainian people, they don’t care about the Crimean people, because it was 97% of the Crimean people who voted to rejoin with Russia.

I’d like you to comment, if you could: they are supporting Al Qaeda, they are supporting the Albanian terrorists and the KLA, they were supporting even the Irish Republican Armies. Now we have them supporting neo-nazi groups who are calling for the death of all Russians, blacks and Jews.

Jovanović: Yes, this is another proof of the destructive policy of NATO and the leading western powers. They are not misguided, they must know who the neo-nazis are, who the fascists are. And even knowing all that they are taking them as allies, as helpers.

So, once again, whatever and whoever suits their interests, it is an ally. They have this almost proverb that their friends are always right. And their friends can be mujahidins, Al-Qaeda, UÇK terrorists or neo-nazis, neo-fascist forces and organizations. If at one moment such forces can be abused, can be exploited, they don’t care.

They just proclaim them to be the forces of democracy, of progress or something. But there is a real question of what remains of “civilization values”, what about the minimum of morality in politics, the minimum of principled position, the minimum of respect of universal principles and universal criteria.

They cannot pass through this stage without suffering, without endangering their own interests. I can only hope that they will show in practice the respect for some democratic values, for some civilization values.

They are behaving like they are being the earth representatives of the Almighty God. And the only right and good, and democratic, and human is only what is proclaimed and certified in Washington or Brussels. This is a really dangerous policy because it reminds of certain strategies from the past, which brought tragedy to civilization.

Whether they are capable to understand the dangers of their own policy or not, it is questionable. But we, the rest should read well that this is kind a strategy of dictatorship in the world relations.

Robles: Regarding now all these calls for sanctions and the way they are controlling the media. They are talking about excluding the Russian Federation from the G8, they are talking about the economic sanctions, which are really going to hurt the West. What is your opinion on this policy of sanctions, which the US has been using since 1901, at least?

Jovanović: We have suffered a lot from the international sanctions, first, in May 1992, when the UN Security Council enacted the sanctions against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. These sanctions were lifted in 1995 after the Dayton Peace Agreement.

But even then the US continued to apply the so-called outer wall of sanctions against Yugoslavia. They prevented Yugoslavia from resuming membership rights in the UN, in the OSCE and in some of the European and international forums.

These sanctions actually are aimed at ordinary people. Those who suffer from such generalized sanctions are the ordinary citizens of any country. That’s why in principle I am strongly against sanctions.

And as far as threatening Russia with sanctions, I think these threats have no base and no perspective. Russia is too big, too powerful and too vast country. It is the largest country in the world. It is almost “mission impossible” to apply sanctions against Russia.

But even if they try to apply any kind of sanctions, this will certainly backfire and hurt the interests of those who initiate the sanctions.

You were listening to part 1 of an interview with Živadin Jovanović.

US/NATO Imperialism a Threat to Civilization - Part Two

Download audio file   5 April, 09:03 Part Two

Robles: Can I ask you now two questions? What is your opinion on the actions of the Russian government and in particular the Russian president Vladimir Putin? Do you think this historic moment is a turning point in the state of geopolitics in the world today?

Jovanović: Yes, indeed I believe so. If 1999 NATO/US led aggression against Yugoslavia was a turning point toward globalization of interventionism, toward militarization of European and international relations. It was a turning point in strategy of global domination of the West, then I think Ukrainian case and the Crimean referendum to reunite with Russia is another kind of turning point.

This I consider to be turning point towards multi-polar world relations, toward resisting the policy of domination of the West. It is to my belief a historically important turning point opening the hope for democratization of world relations opening the space for real respect of universal principals of international law and universal principal of international relations.

I would believe that this is a turning point toward a higher respect of universal organizations such as United Nations and toward respecting of the basic principles of UN Charter. And I think it is turning point toward abandoning the policy of double standards and disregard of the legitimate interests of other countries.

It is simply the beginning I think for the relieving Europe and the world of the threats of domination from one side only.

Robles: You mentioned sanctions, the rights of other countries, a few minutes ago you mentioned Al Qaeda. They were created by the US, the US is using them as their non-state army whenever they need them as their mercenary force. Al Qaeda is listed and they are sanctioned by the UN as being a terrorist organization. What is your opinion on other countries now sanctioning the US, for example: for Guantanamo, for aggressive war, for meddling into the affairs of Ukraine, for meddling into the affairs of Serbia, for redesigning the borders in Europe after WWII? I mean all of those things are illegal. What about sanctions on the US? Do you think there will be some time when countries might be calling for sanctions?

Jovanović: It is obvious that the US disrespects international law, that they disrespect international principles of international organizations. They take all those like tools to suit the interests of the US. The US is a big power but it is disregarding the interests of Europe, disregarding the interests of Russia and other big and responsible countries.

I think for the beginning we should discourage and put some limitations to expansionist policy and disregard of other countries’ interests on the part of the US.

It would be necessary to unite the countries and nations struggling for democratization of international relations, struggling against interventionism and against expansionist imperialist policy of NATO, EU, and the US. And certainly I think this should be requiring serious efforts on the part of wide international community, especially the countries like Russia, China, India, like countries of BRICS and so on.

I think Russia should do well to call upon BRICS countries and Shanghai Association countries to consider new situation brought about by expansionist policy of the US, NATO and EU. This is touching the interests of Russia right now, but from a principled point of view it is a policy questioning interests of the world community, it is the question whether we should enter an era of democratic international relations or we should be silent and accept a policy of expansion and a policy of domination.

Robles: Last two questions and then we are going to have to finish up. Can you give us your forecast on where you see the situation in Ukraine going? What do you think is going to happen withUkraine? Can you tell us about, you have a very important conference coming up on March, 24th, it is the Fifteenth Year Anniversary of the initial bombing of Yugoslavia that had begun I think most of this lawlessness and aggressive war? Tell us, please, about the conference that is coming up.

Jovanović: We all hope that a political solution will be found for the crisis in Ukraine. To have political solution I think NATO should abandon idea of forcing Ukraine to become a member of NATO. Ukraine should be treated as a country to make its own decisions and to be let alone from the Western interference, from the Western pressures and so on.

I believe that it is primarily in the interests of Europe including the EU to find out a modus vivendi with Russia and to accept substantial dialogue between Brussels and Moscow.

It is my strong belief that long term interests of Europe require stability of Brussels/Moscow relationship and it really requires more independent and pro-independent position and behavior of Europe. In this regard I would underline importance of dialogue between Moscow and Berlin which is certainly, as far as Germany is concerned, a leading EU country. And no doubt that among all European countries Germany has the greatest interest for stable relations with Russia. I think that it is possible.

Otherwise if Germany and EU pursue the policy of acting on behalf of the US interests I think it will be very bad not only for Ukraine but for Europe in general. And it would further lead to a profound long term European crisis.

I think there should be a lot of wisdom applied to avoid disintegration of Ukraine. It is one of perspectives, but that could be, I think, avoided by rational and principled policy without any threats or blackmails addressed to Moscow.

Moscow I don’t believe will bound to blackmailing from the West. It is certainly another type of power now than in 1999. Now about Ukraine, I would be a realist, it is very serious, it cannot be predicted with all certainty but certainly there is a possibility to find a political solution in the interests of stability of European continent. Nobody needs further destabilization and creation of situation of further arms race or disturbing development and profounding the socioeconomic crisis which is reigning in major parts of Europe.

As far as our conference is concerned, we have already mentioned, these days exactly from 21st to 25th of March the Belgrade Forum with a number of other independent nonpartisan associations organizes a big international gathering in Belgrade under the theme: ‘Global Peace Instead of Global Confrontation and Global Imperialism’. And it is devoted to Fifteenth Anniversary of NATO aggression, it is in memory of thousands of our citizens who were killed, in memory of hundreds of thousands of refugees and displaced persons from Kosovo and from other parts of former Yugoslavia.

We shall try that this event should not be only of memorial character, we should try to answer from now on what should be the task of peace loving forces in Europe and in the world? In this regard I think we all first of all should struggle for the truth about Yugoslav crisis, struggle further for the true presentation of NATO aggression in 1999 which was the first European war after the WWII. We should try to spread the notion and information that this was the war not against Yugoslavia or Serbia and Montenegro only, it was really the war against Europe and strangely enough the war against Europe participated by Europe.

It was also one turning point when Europe was recognizing not to have its own strategy and independence. I think there were European countries which joined the US not thinking any further what will be further development, what will be further consequences. There were other countries which entered the war against Yugoslavia for their revanchist aims, revanchist philosophy and there were simply smaller countries which didn’t have any kind of independence, which only had to listen what was the call from the US and to obey.

Anyway today we can see what kind of problems this NATO aggression 15 years ago has brought to Europe. Nothing has been resolved in the Balkans but many problems have been opened in Europe and in the world. A precedent was made, a blueprint for NATO interventions in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, in Mali, and everywhere else.

And it is not really only to speak about military interventions because although they are the most tragic event but it is also to speak about interventions of clandestine nature, interventions like in Syria, like in Venezuela now, like in Ukraine now and so on.

And we can really see that all those interventions had one objective and still have one objective – domination of leading Western powers, first of all of the US in the world. And this is the danger really because those who should be victims of domination do not accept such a position, they are ready to fight.

And from this fact that the West doesn’t change colonial attitudes, imperial attitudes as strategy and the rest of the world not accepting to be victim of such an imperial policy I think this may lead to either confrontation and that is why all the forces of peace should join hands and stop this imperial policy endangering nowadays civilization.

We will have friends from all over the world, from about 60 countries in Europe and from other continents will be our guests and will be speakers at the conference. We will have a difficulty to accommodate all the people who will voice in favor of peace, who will support multi-polarization and democratization of the world relations.

You were listening to part 2 of an interview with ŽivadinJovanovic, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. Thanks for listening and we wish you the best.

President Putin is a Hope for the Oppressed - Part 3

Download audio file   11 April, 00:56

For the oppressed people of the world subjected to exploitation and the forces of imperial powers Russian President Vladimir Putin has become a real hope for a return of multi-polarity and the mutual respect of all nations. Decades of US imperial attempts at achieving global hegemony by force, illegal methods and endless aggressive war have had the reverse effect that the US global imperialists had hoped for. The main weapon for the US in its strategy was the use of aggressive war and regime change. 

In Yugoslavia the US/NATO designed a blueprint to disguise aggressive war as humanitarian intervention and much of the world was fooled into believing it. Since then the US/NATO have destroyed countries with impunity. In the Voice of Russia's interview with the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia Živadin Jovanović he is asked his opinion of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

This is John Robles, I'm speaking with Živadin Jovanović. This is John Robles, I'm speaking with ŽivadinJovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part three of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com

Robles: Last comment if you could, sir, on Russian president Vladimir Putin. He, I think, is now what I would say a hope for many people all over the world who have been repressed, oppressed and subjected to Western colonialism, regime change operations etc. And many people in the world see him as someone who can bring about return to rule of law, to respect for international conventions, to respect for the Geneva Conventions, the United Nations and the real international community. If you could what is your opinion on Russian president Vladimir Putin?

Jovanović: A couple of years ago I was asked by your colleagues in Belgrade: "Why does the Serbian public like Putin so much?"

And I said: "Probably, because of the feeling that Serbia although it is a small country would like to have its own Putin".

Putin has become a symbol of dignity of nation, a symbol of a leader who doesn’t aim, in politics, from today to tomorrow, symbol of a politician of long term strategy and a long term perspective for Russia, for Europe and for the world.

And I think that he is widely respected what I can surely witness he is highly respected all over Serbia and in the region and exactly as a hope for more justice and more peace, stability, for hope for respect of law and basic conventions as you said, respect for the United Nations.

Therefore I think he first of all needs and I believe he enjoys full the support of Russia’s population and of countries surrounding Russia bit I think that his role should also be to encourage international bodies such as the Unied Nations, such as the OSCE and international forums to join forces for just world relations.

Russia is certainly a big power, she is already a superpower. Putin is certainly a leader opening the hopes not only the Russian population but of many oppressed peoples and countries all over the world that there is need to initiate movement and movement of all constructive and peace loving forces in the world and especially international bodies.

So that the other even formally accept this struggle for peace, dignity, equality and partnership.

Robles: Thank you very much, sir.

Jovanović: Thank you for inviting me although I believe there are many people who will speak their minds even with a greater wisdom than myself.

Robles: Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it.

Jovanović: Ok, bye bye.

Robles: Ok, thank you, sir, thank you sir. Good luck, good night.

You were listening to part 3 of an interview with ŽivadinJovanovic, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. Thanks for listening and we wish you the best

Statement by the Last Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia on the 15-year Anniversary of NATO Aggression on Yugoslavia

 27 February, 2014 05:44

In March 1999, at the direction of the United States of America, NATO engaged in its first act of illegal aggressive war, beginning what can only be called the “dark age of intervention” in which we are living today. The fact that NATO was allowed to get away with the aggression on Serbia and Montenegro emboldened US/NATO and the US military industrial intelligence banking complex and since that day, under a doctrine of Responsibility to Protect, Humanitarian Interventionism, Preventive War and then the all encompassing “War on Terror”, US/NATO have proceeded to destroy country after country and do away with leaders that they have not found to be submissive enough to their will.

The events of 9-11-2001 were a watershed moment for the geopolitical architects and served as a catalyst to allow them to expand their military machine to every corner of the world and invade countries at will and conduct operations with complete disregard for international law and accepted international norms.

In light of the 15th Anniversary of the NATO aggression the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals and other independent Civic associations in Serbia will hold an international conference from the 21st to the 24th of March 2014. The conference will gather 100 prominent intellectuals from all over the world, in addition to those from Serbia, Montenegro, the Republica Srpska and 10 to 15 guests from Russia, including Academician and retired Russian Army General Leonid Ivashov. The conference will also include the participation of the Veterans Alliance of Serbia and the Club of Generals and Admirals of Serbia.

The President of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals and the last Foreign Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Zivadin Jovanovic wrote the following summary of the events in light of the 15 year anniversary of the NATO aggression against Yugoslavia. (John Robles)

Do Not Forget, by Zivadin Jovanovic

Fifteen years have passed since the beginning of NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (24 March 1999). This aggression resulted in the loss of 4,000 human lives, including 88 children, and 10,000 people were severely wounded. Over two third of these victims were civilians. How many human lives have been lost in the meantime due to the consequences of weapons with depleted uranium, as well as of remaining cluster bombs, will hardly ever be established.

Breaching the basic norms of international law, its own founding act as well as constitutions of member countries, NATO was bombing Serbia and Montenegro during 78 days continuously destroying the economy, infrastructure, public services, radio and TV centers and transmitters, cultural and historical monuments. NATO bears responsibility for polluting the environment and endangering the health of present and future generations. Economic damage caused by the aggression is estimated at over USD 120 billion. War damage compensation has not yet been claimed, and judgments ruled by our court, by which the leaders of aggressor countries were convicted for the crimes against peace and humanity, were annulled after the coup d’état in 2000.

Governments of aggressor countries seized and occupied the Province of Kosovo and Metohija, and then formally delivered it to former terrorists, separatists and international organized crime bosses. An American military base was established in the Province – “Bondstill”, one of the largest beyond the U.S. territory.

After the aggression, over 250,000 Serbs and other non-Albanians have been forced out the Province of Kosovo and Metohija; even today, 15 years later they are not allowed to return freely and safely to their homes. Ethnic cleansing and even drastic change of ethnic population structure are tolerated by so called international community if only to the detriment of Serbs. The remaining Serbian population in the Province of about 120.000 continues to live in fear and uncertainty. Attacks upon Serbs, detentions and killings, including liquidations of their political leaders, have been continuing up to these days, and nobody is held responsible.

NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (FRY) in 1999 is a crime against peace and humanity. It is a precedent and a turning point towards global interventionism, arbitrary violation of the international legal order and the negation of the role of the UN. The “Bondstill” military base is the first and crucial ring in the chain of new American military bases reflecting strategy of expansion towards East, Caspian Basin, Middle East, towards Russia and its Siberia natural resources. Europe has thus got overall militarization and the new edition of the strategy “Drang nach Osten” (“Thrust to the East”). Destabilization and the tragic developments in Ukraine are just the most recent consequence of that strategy.

15 years after objectives of US/NATO military aggression continue to be pursued by other means. Serbia has been blackmailed to de facto recognize illegal secession of its Province of Kosovo and Metohija through so called Brussels negotiations. The most of the puppet states of the former Yugoslavia are much dependant on and indebted to the leading NATO/EU countries, their financial institutions and corporations so that they could hardly be considered independent states but rather neo-colonies. There is no stability in the Balkans, redrawing of borders has not ended, overall situation is dominated by devastated economy, unemployment, social tensions and misery. Europe, particularly its south-east regions, are experiencing profound economic, social and moral crisis.

Preparations for NATO military aggression against Serbia and Montenegro (FRY) and 1999 aggression itself have been used in the meantime as a blueprint for many other NATO aggressions and occupations - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali and so on. Wherever NATO undertook “humanitarian intervention”, like in former Yugoslavia, it left thousands of dead and mutilated, millions of refugees and displaced persons, ethnic and religious divisions, terrorism and separatism, economic disaster and social misery. NATO expansionist strategy made Europe militarized. There are more US/NATO military bases in Europe today than at the peak of the Cold War era. What for? NATO imperial expansionist strategy has provoked new arms race with unforeseen consequences. Who really needs an organization threatening global peace and stability?

During and after the aggression, 150 Serb monasteries and churches built in the Middle Ages were destroyed. Killed or abducted were some 3,500 Serbs and other non-Albanians, and fates of many of them have not been established until today. Not even one of the thousands of crimes against Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija got a court clarification. Even such terrorist crimes as was blowing up the “Nis-express” bus on 16 February 2001, when 12 people were killed and 43 wounded, neither the murder of 14 Serb farmers reaping in the field in Staro Gracko, on 23 July 2009 remained without thorough investigation, be it by UNMIK, be it by EULEX, or by any other of so many structures of the so called international community.

The Swiss senator, Dick Marty, revealed documented report on trafficking in human organs of Serbs abducted in Kosovo and Metohija. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the oldest European democratic institution, adopted his Report as the official CE document. Although all factors stand verbally for an efficient investigation and bringing the perpetrators to justice, for many years now there have been no results whatsoever. The documentation on human organ trafficking submitted to The Hague Tribunal had been – destroyed!

The Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals, with support of other non-partisan and independent associations from Serbia, from the region and from the Serb Diaspora throughout the world, are organizing a number of activities under the common title “NOT TO FORGET”, with the aim to remind domestic and international public of human loss, destructions and other consequences of NATO aggression.

On Friday, 21 March 2014 at 6 p.m., in Sava Conference Centre, Belgrade (Milentija Popovica No. 1) an opening ceremony will launch a photographic exhibition presenting consequences of NATO aggression.

On Saturday, March 22 and on Sunday, March 23rd, 2014, International conference “Global Peace vs. Global Interventionism and Imperialism” will be held (Sava Conference Centre. Conference starts at 10 a.m. Some 100 prominent personalities from all over the world have confirmed their participation.

On Monday, March 24th, 2014, at 09.30 a.m., the International Memorial Marathon Belgrade-Hilandar will start in front of Saint Sava Church.

The same day, at 11 a.m., civic associations, representatives of Serb Diaspora, guests from abroad and individuals will lay flowers at the monument to children - victims of the aggression, in the Tašmajdan park, and the same day at 12 a.m. flowers will be laid at the Monument to all victims of the aggression, Friendship park, Ušće, New Belgrade.

NATO Eastward, Building 'Roman Empire' in Europe

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NATO’s first act of illegal "humanitarian" aggressive war called "Operation Deliberate Force" in 1995 against the Republic Srpska which it got away with and emboldened it to later carry out "Operation Allied Force", the merciless brutal air campaign against civilian targets in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The fact that NATO was allowed to get away with these acts of aggressive war and that the US/NATO architects were allowed to carry out such scenarios emboldened the "alliance" even further and has led to the recent global expansion by NATO and the scores of "regime change" and "resource wars" presented as "humanitarian interventions". The scenario is almost identical every time and is currently being played out in Ukraine. On the 15 year anniversary of the aggression on Yugoslavia, in an exclusive interview, the Voice of Russia spoke to the last Foreign Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Živadin Jovanović.

This is John Robles, I’m speaking with Živadin Jovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part 1 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com.

Robles: Hello Sir! How are you this evening?

Jovanović: Fine, John. I’m glad to be able to talk for the Voice of Russia.

Robles: Thank you! And it is a pleasure for me to speaking with you. I’ve read a lot of your work. Given your background as the Foreign Minister of the former Yugoslavia, you were the Foreign Minister during the upheavals and the foreign-initiated revolutions that destroyed the country, can you tell us a little bit about the histories, maybe, something we don’t know about and give us your views on what is happening now in Ukraine and in Bosnia etc?

Jovanović: Well, I would like to recall that the Dayton Peace Agreement about peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina was reached in 1995 and the key figure in reaching the peace in Bosnia was Slobodan Milosevic, at the time President of the Republic of Serbia and later on the President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

I would like to say that his role was widely recognized, at that time, as a peace-maker in the Balkans. And indeed, no one of the other leaders of the former Yugoslav Republics did contribute to reaching peace in the civil war in Bosnia and Herzegovina, as Slobodan Milosevic did. This was repeatedly stated at the Paris Conference which formally marks the signing of the peace agreement and he was hailed by the presidents of the US, of France and many other countries.

But we know now that in Dayton Americans wanted also to discuss the problem of the Serbian southern province of Kosovo and Metohija. And they wanted to include this into the Dayton Negotiations agenda. Slobodan Milosevic and the Yugoslav delegation decisively refused this, even saying that if the Americans want to discuss the internal issue of Yugoslavia, of Serbia, at an international forum, they would not take part in such an exercise.

So, faced with this refusal of Slobodan Milosevic, Americans, first of all, Richard Holbrook (the then State Secretary) and the other officials of the US accepted to discuss only how to reach the peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina. And the peace was really reached in Dayton.

But later on they needed Milosevic in the process of implementing the Dayton peace agreement. Many conferences, many meetings were held all over Europe: in Geneva, in Rome, in Berlin and various other capitals and in Moscow too, as to how secure the implementation of the Dayton Peace Agreement.

All this time Yugoslavia and President Milosevic were needed as a key peace factor. Without Yugoslavia and President Milosevic nobody could imagine reaching the implementation of the Dayton Peace Agreement. But this was also a period when Yugoslavia was freed from UN sanctions, which were based on accusations that Yugoslavia was committing aggression in the Bosnian civil war.

The sanctions were adopted at the Security Council in May 1992 and they lasted until 1995 when the Dayton Peace Agreement was reached. They were afterwards abolished, first suspended and then, finally, abolished. But the USA did not abolish its own sanctions, the so-called "outer wall" of sanctions. That means that the Americans did not allow Yugoslavia to renew its membership in OSCE, in the UN, position in the World Bank, in IMF and many other international organizations.

They kept these tools for the reason that they had other plans. And they didn’t actually forget that Milosevic was not willing to allow treatment of the internal issue of Kosovo and Metohija on the international scene.

So, after the stability in Bosnia and Herzegovina was settled, after Milosevic was not needed any longer to cooperate on Bosnia and Herzegovina, they opened the problem of Kosovo and Metohija.

Well, they not only opened, but they were financing, training and organizing terrorist organization: the so-called KLA. It was not actually only the US who did it, but the American European allies, like Germany, like Great Britain and some other countries were very cooperative in supporting separatist movements and the terrorist organization of KLA in Kosovo and Metohija.

So, they were bringing up this internal problem of Serbia in various international forums and they were actually provoking clashes on the territory of Serbia. Many policemen, many teachers, many soldiers and many Serbian public workers were killed in 1997-1998. And so in 1998 the government did not have any other possibility than to confront the rising terrorism in Kosovo and Metohija.

At that time the US started to initiate negotiations with Milosevic. Richard Holbrook was leading negotiations, tere were rounds and rounds of negotiations. All the time it was clearly seen that Americans are siding and propping up separatism in Kosovo and Metohija, and squeezing Serbia, squeezing Milosevic to accept various conditions that in principle were not acceptable.

So, in June 1998 the American administration actually recognized the terrorist organization called KLA as a "liberation" organization. And we have a witness in British Colonel John Crosland, who was the British military attaché in Belgrade who had (gave) a written a testimony to the Hague Tribunal stating among other things that in June 1998 President Clinton, Richard Holbrook and Madeline Albright decided to overthrow Milosevic and they considered that the KLA (terrorist organization KLA) in Kosovo could be a "tool" in achieving this objective.

John Crosland said: "From that moment onwards it was absolutely irrelevant what we thought about KLA, whether it was a terrorist or a liberation organization, because "the center of power" decided it was an ally."

This organization will later on, when there was a military aggression of NATO against Yugoslavia in March 1999, it turned to be a ground force of NATO. NATO was in the air and KLA was on the ground.

So, we actually see a certain period of preparation of this aggression. Preparations were going on to stigmatize the Government of Yugoslavia with Milosevic as not cooperating, not predictable and authoritarian. And the whole network of western propaganda, of NATO propaganda was repeating what was the position of the State Department and of the Foreign Office in London. The stigmatization was the first stage of preparing the European and international public for what was to follow later.

Then, they staged the so-called massacre of Albanian civilians in Račak, in Kosovo and Metohija. In Račak there was a security action of the security forces of Yugoslavia against units of KLA. And it was announced to the OSCE and to the so-called "international community" that there will be a security operation against the terrorist organization.

And everybody in place, in Kosovo and Metohija and from the international community were informed. And some of them really did observe, some of them even filmed the operation. It was a legitimate operation of the government forces against terrorism.

But nevertheless, the American Ambassador Walker who was in charge of the OSCE mission in Kosovo and Metohija proclaimed: "It was a massacre of civilians!"

This was like a triggering moment for NATO to take action. And this is a detail which was to be repeated in many ways later on.

Before that we had, in Bosnia, the so-called Markale incident when civilians queuing in front of a bakery were bombed and killed and accusations were immediately directed at the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina, while today we have even the military from the former Muslim side and Izetbegović’s side, and Russian experts and other experts from the UN claiming that there was no proof of the Serbian side being involved in that. Everybody says that Muslims had provoked this massacre themselves in order to attribute it to the Serbian "enemy".

We have in Syria, you know, about the Sarin gas and so on.

Robles: If we could, before we get too far along here, because I have a lot of questions, because this is the exact same thing that they’ve done in Libya, in Syria, in Ukraine, now in Bosnia they are trying to do it again, in Egypt... Every country they want to overthrow they do the same thing. They’ll support any terrorist. In Ukraine they are supporting neo-Nazis. It doesn’t matter, as long as they can overthrow the government. In the Middle East they are supporting Al-Qaeda. In Libya, in Syria it is Al-Qaeda terrorists. I agree with you 100%. I’d like to ask you some questions. If you could, give me some more details about… you were the Foreign Minister, you knew what was going on: why and when exactly did they start talking about Kosovo? That appears to be their initial goal – Kosovo – from the beginning.

Jovanović: Exactly!

Robles: Why is that?

Jovanović: Well, I always claimed from the very beginning, it was not for regional or local objectives. It was a matter of geopolitical objectives of the US and of the leading NATO countries.

Recently at one conference in Germany I was asked: "What were the geopolitical reasons for the aggression of NATO on Kosovo?"

I said: "Well it is first of all the realization of the policy of expansion of NATO towards the east. The objective was to make a base for further military expansion towards the Russian borders."

I was even blunt to say that they want to get closer to the resources of Siberia, to the resources of the Middle East, to the Caspian Basin and so on and so forth.

And the people who asked me the question were quite silent after that, they didn’t have any other comments. I think everybody realized that we completely understand the essence of the American strategy.

The American strategy has been tabled in April 2002 at the NATO summit in Bratislava. We have a written document of the German politician Willy Wimmer, who was present at that NATO summit, in the form of his report to the then Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. Willy Wimmer among other things in his report quotes that the American strategist informed the NATO allies in Bratislava in April 2000 that the NATO strategy is to establish a similar situation in Europe as it was in times when the Roman Empire was at the peak of its might.

So, they said from the Baltic to Anatolia in Turkey there should be the same situation as in the era of the Roman Empire. And they quoted some concrete examples. They said Poland should be surrounded by friendly countries. Bulgaria and Romania should be a bridge towards Asia. And Serbia should be permanently kept out of European development.

So, we see that Kosovo was a starting point of a military expansion towards the East. In 1999, exactly 15 years ago the Americans established their military base Bondsteel, which by many political analysts is considered to be the largest American military base in the world outside of the American territory.

Robles: Yet it is!

Jovanović: And if we presume that it is the largest or one of the largest, the question is why it should be based in Kosovo, when Kosovo and Serbia are so small, so tiny places. And there is no explanation from a regional point of view.

You were listening to part 1 of an interview with Živadin Jovanović. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com.

NATO Expansion New ‘Drang Nach Osten’ Doctrine - Part Two

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After NATO military aggression against the former Fedral Republic of Yugoslavia ended in 1999 and after the establishment of the US/NATO Camp Bondsteel military base, American military bases began sprouting up all over Eastern Europe like mushrooms after a drenching rain. 

On the 15 year anniversary of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in an interview with the Voice of Russia Živadin Jovanović, the former and last Foreign Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals stated that all of these bases are directed against Russia and Eurasia.

All of the NATO infrastructure and military elements have nothing to do with democracy or with some struggle against organized international crime. All of the bases, warships, aircraft, nuclear missiles and anti-ballistic missile systems in Germany, Poland, Romania, Spain and elsewhere are all part of a new “Drang Nach Osten Doctrine” (the German Imperial and nazi [sic] “Drive to the East”). Mr. Jovanović believes this push to the East warrants very serious attention and is a very dangerous development.

This is John Robles, I’m speaking with Živadin Jovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part 2 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com.

Jovanović: In June, 1999, after NATO aggression was ended, then I can recall that soon after that there was a reconstruction and construction of four new American military bases in Bulgaria, and after that four new American bases in Romania. And how many they have in Czech or Slovak Republic, in Poland, in Baltic Republics and so on, it is not really so important, but what is important that after military aggression on Yugoslavia in 1999 and after establishment of the Bondsteel military base, American military bases in eastern part of the continent were mushrooming like after rain.

And now I would like to ask question for your listeners: how to explain the fact that in Europe today there are much more foreign military bases than at the time of the peak of Cold War era? Why they are needed? Is democracy in danger? Who is endangering democracy? Or what are the reasons? Can we believe that these bases are to fight terrorism, or what? It is really what is never recognized.

These bases to my sincere belief are directed against Russia, against Eurasia. And they have nothing to do with democracy, with struggle against organized international crime, with struggling against cyber dangers or anything else. We should be extremely naive to believe that these anti-ballistic systems in Poland, in Romania and elsewhere, in Spain, in Germany, that they are to relieve Europe of the dangers from Iran or from North Korea and so on and so forth.

Robles: Those are all lies. It is just part of the empire, it is part of their military force in order to increase and continue and expand their empire, and surround Russia of course, which they’ve continued to see as a threat even since the Cold War finished. NATO is the foreign military wing of their empire, they are trying to do and they are actually doing what Nazi Germany did: they are taking over the entire world through NATO.

Jovanović: I would only recall that this is new edition of a Drang nach Osten, and it really deserves high attention and very serious approaches. How to discourage, how to stop this extremely dangerous development?

I would like to add to this consideration another element, this is element of the world economic and financial crisis which seem not to be ending in foreseeable future. And I see that this global interventionism which is propped up by United States using NATO as a tool and I see that they actually are trying to pass the burden and consequences of the world economic crisis provoked by themselves to the back bone of other countries, especially to those countries which are rich with strategic minerals, strategic energy resources and so on in order to safeguard their privileged position and their good living standards and their privileged position in world economic relations. They are not ready to give up.

Robles: Can I comment on what you’ve just said about the living conditions? Because people in the West, a lot of people, and this is … it is a myth ... the people themselves, they are living worse than they have since the 1960s. Things are bad for everybody. So this is only benefiting a small group of elites, I think.

Jovanović: Yes, I think you are right, because the victims of the world crisis are generally speaking poorer countries of the world, countries rich with energy and strategic mineral resources and the population of the West equally as the population all over the world. I think the hardest hit are peoples of Africa, of Asia, of Latin America and so on. And this using NATO as a tool of corporate capitalism is aimed at preserving privileged position of these corporate capital companies to preserve the monopolies and privileged position of industrial financial capital and especially military-industrial sector. And so, actually, all of us we are victims of militarization of Europe and militarization of the world relations in general.

I think that we should be aware of that military factor is dominating economy, dominating trade, dominating politics. And it is just a reason to ask a question: where we are leading to? Where does it lead to, and what is the future of such a strategy? I think we are faced with a very disturbing development and we should not allow ourselves such a luxury to become wise when it is useless, when it is late. We should be aware now, although we should have been aware much earlier.

I myself as a Minister of Foreign Affairs of Yugoslavia in 1999, when there was aggression of NATO against my country, I said: ‘Do you understand who is next?’ Today we know who were, who have been next so far. But each time, each stage has, let’s say, more ambitious objective of this military-industrial sector.

So, Serbia was a very tiny, small sanctions exhausted country, it was not perhaps so risky to attack by the strongest military alliance in the history of civilization. But later on they were going on and we know that they were attacking much bigger countries and having a plan to expand this. And I think all leads us to one conclusion: developments in the world relations, and especially in Europe, are very, very disturbing. Let us be aware about it.

Robles: Libya, Syria, Ukraine – it is basically one formula they are using. You mentioned supporting terrorists, you mentioned synthetic revolutions. What other mechanisms did you see as the Foreign Minister to bring about the destruction of Yugoslavia? And what can you say about Libya, Syria, Ukraine, the Middle East, Egypt? The list is almost too long to mention already.

Jovanović: Well, let me first of all say that NATO aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999, exactly 15 years ago, was a turning point in world relations point of starting global interventionism. NATO did empower itself, illegally of course, contrary to all the laws existing in the world relations to intervene in any spot of the globe.

Just it was necessary to proclaim that United States or NATO have national or state interests in certain part of the world and they then prepare for aggression for invasions. To do so they in most instances use so called formula of humanitarian interventions. They invoke obligation to protect as they recently reformulated this humanitarian intervention pattern.

They in Yugoslavia accused Yugoslav government of massively violating human rights of Albanian national minority in Kosovo and Metohija. There was not anything similar to that. We have, let’s say, documents including written documents of German diplomats, of Austrian; one German general said: ‘before the aggression there were no systematic, no organized violations of human rights of Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija’. Another German diplomat Dietmar Hartwig said that accusations of that sort were perceived by himself as preparation for the aggression and so on.

In Libya you recall that they said that civilians were in danger and that they needed protection, in Mali they also said that terrorists were endangering stability and civil life in general. In Syria they say sarin gas was used by the government forces while the UN observers never indicated such a thing. They said only that there were proofs of sarin having been used but they could not state who used the sarin gas, while later on it was linked to the opposition forces and to Saudi Arabia, and whomever else.

In various other places this was also formula: protect civilians, protect human rights, and when such a signal comes from Washington then the whole network of so-called NGO, financed from Washington, from Soros Foundation, from Norway, from Great Britain, from Germany – they accelerate such an accusation and they make atmosphere of transforming lie into truth. Because mass media would accept such directives, and like CNN and some other networks of global nature would be disseminating such accusation. And they would at the same time later, at a later stage that were parallel with this, they finance opposition, inside opposition of targeted country.

They finance so-called democracy, democratization apparently to counter or to remove the totalitarian regimes. Then they would arm them. Next stage they would finance armament and train them in many directions for military actions: how to write paroles and symbols like symbol of OTPOR or the other symbols that we have seen in Maidan in Ukraine, in Kiev or in Cairo or in many other places, in South America and so on and so forth. So they then would provoke a staged event which should be signal that there is no other solution than to use military force. In case of Yugoslavia that was Reka case, in Bosnia and Herzegovina that was Markale Incident, we know the places in Syrian and other countries.

And then sometimes they have apparent diplomatic efforts, but not aimed at finding a political diplomatic solution, only saving diplomatic efforts in order to show that the regimes, so-called regimes, are unbearable and that they are not cooperating and that there is no other means than military means to resolve the problem. So this is mainly the pattern: humanitarian or intervention or responsibility to protect.

Robles: Right. Can you give us your opinion on what is going on now in Ukraine? So we’ve seen everything you’ve been talking about, we’ve seen everything that a lot of analysts and experts have been talking about, we‘ve seen this artificial outside implemented color revolution, we’ve seen and we’ve heard US officials having conversations about who is going to be in power. It is, just everything is out in the open now. But do you see something like a terrorist act or some big act going to happen soon in Ukraine? That would be the next step, I think.

Jovanović: Of course, I presume that Russian analysts and journalists and editors, like yourself, would be much better to interpret the events in Ukraine because it is not only geographically closer to you, but from any point of view, but I can imagine that most thinking people in Europe and the world would have their own assessments of events in Ukraine. As far as I’m concerned I think it is a repetition of the colored revolutions, so-called colored revolutions, and some of the elements of the pattern that I have previously elaborating are being clearly seen in developments in Ukraine.

But perhaps I would like first of all to say that it is part of the western strategy of expansion toward East. It is indeed to my profound belief the part of strategy to reach Russian borders and, well, they are abusing social, economic and other problems which partly resulted from their strategies and their policies of crediting or not crediting, policies implemented through IMF and World Bank, through European banks and so on. Sometimes I believe that they make people hungry in order to finish their strategy.

You were listening to part 2 of an interview with Ћivadin Jovanovic, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. Thanks for listening and we wish you the best.

Ukraine Part of US/NATO Expansion to Russia Yugoslav FM Živadin Jovanović - Part 3

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Patterns of a western instigated and engineered color revolution strategy are being clearly seen in developments in Ukraine and are part of the US/NATO strategy of expansion towards the East with the goal of reaching Russian borders on all sides. In light of the 15 year anniversary of the beginning of NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro, March 24, 1999, the Voice of Russia spoke to the last Foreign Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Živadin Jovanović who spoke about these issues and the correlations that are now occurring in Ukraine.

Our interview took place in light of the 15 year anniversary of the beginning of NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro which occurred on March 24, 1999. FM Jovanović says that what we have seen in Serbia, Ukraine and scores of other countries is illegal under international law and the UN Charter. He also says the instruments that US/NATO use are wide and varied but include organizations such as USAID, the IMF, the World Bank and other supposedly “neutral” bodies. The Honorable Jovanović believes that Serbia should remain militarily neutral do more to expand cooperation with Russia, China, India and the BRICS countries as well as countries which never attach political or military conditions to economic, technological or financial cooperation.

This is John Robles, I’m speaking with Živadin Jovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part 3 of an interview in progress. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com.

Jovanović: Most thinking people in Europe and the world would have their own assessments of events in Ukraine. As far as I'm concerned I think it is a repetition of the colored revolutions, so called “color revolutions”. And some of the elements of the patterns that I have previously elaborated on are being clearly seen in developments in Ukraine.

But perhaps, I would like, first of all to say that; it is part of the Western strategy of expansion towards the East. It is indeed to my profound believe the part of strategy to reach Russian borders.

And well, they are abusing social, economic and other problems which partly resulted from their strategies and their policies of crediting or not crediting, policies implemented through IMF and World Bank, through European Banks and so on. Sometimes I believe that they make people hungry in order to finish their strategy. They are abusing social and economic problems for the strategic purposes.

I mentioned the American strategy to project the situation in nowadays Europe at the time when Roman Empire was at a peek of force and you can see this strategy having been expanded. I think perhaps the reason is that Russia is still not strong enough to resist and sometimes I think they are in a hurry to finish their expansion toward the East before Russia fully assumes its own capacities and its own objectives. They are really with itchy hands.

They want to show strength at the time when they are in a profound crisis and it is a crisis that is the deepest since the ‘30s of the last century.

They are abusing the national composition of the population of Ukraine, abusing the fact that part of the population is buying ideas of better life through the EU, through the agreement of association and stabilization and so on and so forth.

I would like to say, speaking about dangers, really you see how much money and energy is wasted on revision of history. Now this year we are marking 100 years since the beginning of the first world war, and there is a hyper production of false explanation of the real causes of the first world war. In Germany, Austria, France, Great Britain most of the books printed on the occasion of 100 years of the first world war accuse Serbia and Russia as being culprits of the first world war.

We now on a minor plan let me say that events in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the destabilization of Bosnia and Herzegovina right now, was a reason for some European politicians, for the high international representative in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Valentine Inzko, to say: “Austria will dispose more military force in Bosnia. Austria will bring more policemen in Bosnia and will arrange a judiciary of Bosnia and Herzegovina.”

Nobody really understands that in terms of political strategy there are no differences between the EU and NATO, no differences between the EU and the US. Sometimes they spit at each other and sometimes they do nasty things to their partners, like spying on them, like listening and so on. But there is no difference in political strategy and the aims of the EU and NATO, between the EU and USA. All is coordinated, still showing that the strongest European power is the US.

So we see that in one hand the West is declaring that they support peaceful demonstrations and the right of people to express their democratic will and they are pumping million of dollars and even armaments, into opposition, into extremists who occupy (physically) institutions of Ukraine and Kiev and so on.

So this is an example where the West shows its cynicism and let's say immorality. Sometimes when we see what they do and what they talk, I ask myself what happened with the western civilization indeed? Can they be stable and progressive if they are abusing other nations, if they are so bluntly exploiting others and manipulating their own citizens, own allies and so on.

I said once: “If they don't know really where are the causes of their economic and financial crisis (of course they do know, but if they don't know) they should see in their immorality. Because you cannot play democracy inside and use only force outside your country.

Robles: To be honest I think it is a dying empire.

Jovanović: I see. If, let's say in my opinion I'm correct, that NATO aggression 15 years ago against Yugoslavia was a turning point toward the globalization of interventionism...

Robles: You are exactly correct..

Jovanović:I think that now we have reached the other turning point: this is the end of a unipolar world. And multi-polarity is not just an idea any longer, it is a reality, perhaps not in a full swing, not with a full force and not with full effects but we are witnessing the end of unipolar world relations and the beginning of a multi-polar world.

If the aggression in 1999 was towards domination and towards interventionism, towards totalitarian imperialism, then cases of reaching agreements about the nuclear energy of Iran, reaching some agreement on the Syrian conflict and now the events in Ukraine, are turning points towards multi-polarization which cannot be stopped.

And as far as NATO is concerned, NATO is fighting a lost war. Nobody can stop multi-polarization. And nobody can stop democratization which will be opened with full multi-polarization.

It is necessary to, let's say, do much more in the field of information (dissemination) that this knowledge of a few about what kind of world we live in today becomes the property of billions of the world’s population and the more we do in that direction, objectively informing the world community about these tectonic changes in world relations, I think the more secure our future will be. If we miss (the opportunity) to do so, if we miss doing something which must be done today, it might be really late.

I would like to say, speaking about dangers, really you see how much money and energy is wasted on revision of history. Now this year we are marking 100 years since the beginning of the first world war, and there is a hyper production of false explanation of the real causes of the first world war. In Germany, Austria, France, Great Britain most of the books printed on the occasion of 100 years of the first world war accuse Serbia and Russia as being culprits of the first world war.

We now on a minor plan let me say that events in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the destabilization of Bosnia and Herzegovina right now, was a reason for some European politicians, for the high international representative in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Valentine Inzko, to say: “Austria will dispose more military force in Bosnia. Austria will bring more policemen in Bosnia and will arrange a judiciary of Bosnia and Herzegovina.”

I really see that he himself may have not intention, but why Austria? Austria was occupying force in 1908, Austria occupied Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1914, Austro-Hungaria – they started the first world war from Bosnia attacking Serbia. And now Inzko is advocating more Austrian soldiers in Bosnia and Herzegovina, more policemen and so on. Is it the way to export democracy, to make Bosnia and Herzegovina a functional state, a ripe candidate for membership in NATO or the EU? Sometimes I think they are really wrong.

I think we have enough facts to analyze NATO strategy, we don't really have always to go back to history and to enter the risk of being accused of this or that theory.

What is sure: NATO adopted in 2010 in Lisbon a new strategy plan for the next 20 years, that means until 2020 and it proclaimed the right to globally intervene. At that summit the EU was represented, Russia also, I think president Medvedev was at that summit also,

Robles: Yes, yes.

Jovanović: but the European Union accepted NATO strategy in Europe as its own strategy. And we see equal strategy of NATO and EU when it comes to the globalization of interventionism, when it comes to expansion towards the East, when it comes to color revolutions and so on and so forth, even when it comes to constructing new anti-ballistic systems “so called” in so many countries in Europe. You know, it is not only Romania and Poland. It also Germany, it is even Spain and some other countries in Europe which accepted these anti-ballistic systems and they are preparing for something. We should be asking: what for?

We are seeing a revision of history and a revision of history, my friend, is just the first stage of the strategy of “revision of borders”. We should not be so naïve to say revision of history is a theoretic (or something like that) issue or problem. When somebody asks for a revision of let's say the Trianon Agreement from 1920, he is asking for changes of the borders of Hungary, Austria, or a changing of the borders of Serbia and so on and so forth.

So then we should be asking: Could a change of borders happen without wars? Are nations ready to agree with changes of the borders? I believe they are not ready and if they are not ready, what is next?

NATO is actually that machinery to rearrange, to redraw the borders in Europe. Should we disregard Brezhinsky's theory that Russia should be divided at least in three parts? Who is to divide? How to divide? Why to divide?

So, we see the strategy of NATO, which is actually defending the military industrial complex and the interests of corporate capital.

NATO leaders, especially American and the others, they are talking about spreading democracy, spreading human rights and so on and so forth and I'm curious how many people believe in this theory.

They actually are trying to put under their control the natural, economic and market resources of the planet to serve their interests, their greedy selfish interests. And this is all that NATO is for.

And having regard, that NATO is a military alliance to conquer other countries, to conquer resources and so on, I wonder if some countries of Europe should join NATO at all.

For example Serbia is pressed to join NATO. Every couple of months the highest officials of NATO send public messages: Serbia is welcomed! Serbia should know what to do! And so on. And actually they are inviting Serbia to submit official requests for membership in NATO.

It is my opinion that NATO is not a place for Serbia. NATO is a conquering organization, an imperialistic organization, an organization which aims to conquer other countries' and other peoples' resources to make other nations' lives miserable, and Serbia (on the other side) is a small European country, a peace loving country, which never has been linked with any imperial policies and so on.

Finally Serbia never was a member of any military alliance in its history. The longest period of peace Serbia lived through being neutral and being nonaligned. And finally to end: it is not to be neglected that NATO in 1999 during aggression they killed about 4,000 people of my country, they seriously wounded about 10,000, they destroyed civil infrastructure and civil economy at a value of $120 billion which was never recovered, nobody is even demanding or asking this to be done. And this is one additional reason why NATO cannot be a place for Serbia.

Serbia in my opinion, should remain militarily neutral and should conduct balanced foreign policy to remain open for cooperation with the EU, with the West in general, but on the basis of mutual interests, on the basis of respect of territorial integrity and sovereignty, on the basis of respect of independence and at the same time Serbia should do much more to expand cooperation with Russia first of all, then with China, then with India and with the BRICS countries in general, with all the countries who never advance any political strings to economic, technological or financial cooperation.

In my opinion this is good for the stability of Serbia, for the prosperity of Serbia and this is good for the stability of one “very unstable region” as the Balkans continue to be.

You were listening to part 3 of an interview with Živadin Jovanović, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. And as always we wish you the best wherever in the world you may be.

The US, NATO and the West Use Economics to Enslave Countries  - Part 4

Download audio file 9 March, 2014 21:51

Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and before it the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbia is another country that was also invaded and destroyed by US/NATO. Serbia today is overburdened by foreign debt and through the IMF and other “loans”, like other countries, faces being enslaved by the West. Serbia is proof that when the West gives 1 Euro, it takes 100 Euros. You mentioned the damage of NATO to Yugoslavia $120 billion. But even what was not destroyed, that was privatized by criminal privatization. These issues and more were touched upon by Živadin Jovanović, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia in an interview with the Voice of Russia.

Robles: This is John Robles, I’m speaking with Živadin Jovanović. He is the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. This is part 4 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com.

Jovanović : They are pressurizing Bosnia, you know, to join NATO and Bosnia being composed of two equal entities has Republika Srpska which is not willing to join NATO.

NATO has shown among other things cluster bombs from which people are being killed even today, even 15 years after or 20 when it was the case of Bosnia and Herzegovina or NATO has used missiles with depleted uranium which have provoked thousands and thousands of deaths of civilians.

So what could be benefit in any aspect: if any country joins NATO like cases of former East European countries, they have almost immediately to expand military budgets and they already are so much indebted countries. They are in many cases in red line as far as foreign debt ceiling is concerned.

Serbia also could let's say benefit of expanding military budget but Serbia today is overburdened by foreign debts, about 60% of GDP of Serbia is a foreign debt. Parliament is concerned, it has decided that the debt cannot be over 40%. But who cares, you know?

The West, they have interests to enslave such countries as Serbia offering them credits and so on and especially when these credits are with political strings.

Robles: Everything they do has strings. If I could comment, please, before we move on and then if you'd like your final comment. Ukraine – it is the same thing, they are pushing them into NATO and I think from my military strategic and geopolitical standpoint, I mean, it seems to me and they are projecting their intentions already by everything they are doing.

I see them surrounding Russia and then China and of course North Korea and that is their final goal – to take over Russian territory and take over Russia and control the resources. And they are striving through political covert and other means to conquer the world. Back to Ukraine, if Ukraine falls to NATO, how do you think it will take for them to come after Russia?

Jovanović : Well, I should like to believe that Ukraine is too big a bit to swallow even for NATO and for the whole West.

Ukraine is in all aspects huge country with great potentials and it is let's say traditionally considered to be Russian zone of influence, finally it was part of former Soviet Union for so long and even before – the history of unity with Russia is long.

So, I should like to think that wisdom would prevail in the case of Ukraine to find compromise political solution in order to preserve integrity of the country.

If not, of course, Ukraine may fall apart maybe fragmented like some other countries. But once again I say, it is not so easy to destroy Ukraine as perhaps was to take over Kosovo and Metohija from Serbia.

Then, well, they should be I think aware that they are making a great provocation to Russia being nuclear power, I think they should be taking seriously that into consideration. On the other hand you have this strategy of first nuclear strike from the West. It is a really big danger and I think Ukraine's destabilization makes the whole European continent being destabilized and in extraordinary state of mind.

I'm surprised to tell you very frankly that Germany is not taking, let's say, a diplomatic initiative to relieve the continent from the tensions and destabilization at the time when they have enough problems within the EU and even in Transatlantic relations. I'm disturbed by some declarations of president Gauck and ministers of German government in Munich when said something like 'Germany should be relieved of the complex from 1941, Germany is a democratic country and Germany has to take own responsibility within alliance for world relations'.

They have come out openly in the height of Ukrainian crisis, they have come up to publicize something at least new for the public that they are ready to even neglect their own constitution and go to follow the suit of the US in intervening any place in the world. This is I think dangerous.

I think diplomacy should be given a chance in Ukraine, otherwise it may lead to long term destabilization if not to very large and very dangerous military confrontation in Europe.

Robles: The violence is getting worse and worse and it is coming from this opposition.

Jovanović :The government itself seems not to have been united. We had resignation of the Prime Minister there, it was surprising move. And it is really good to think about limits of the EU when the people expect from Brussels better life, when they expect from Brussels something for nothing, when they believe that promises will come true.

Case of Serbia is a proof that it is only lip service that the West gives 1 Euro, it takes 100 Euros. You mentioned the damage of NATO to Yugoslavia $120 billion. But even what was not destroyed, that was privatized by criminal privatization.

Many Americans and companies from other NATO countries have got the best industries, the best production, the best services in Serbia afterwards for nothing because they installed a puppet regime and then the regimes were serving the interests of masters.

So I don't know how media and how politicians, diplomacy can bring this reality to the Ukrainian public, not to trust these promises. Finally it is not just coincidence that when the EU could offer some only two or three billion Euro for soft credits for Ukraine, Russia offered fifteen billion Euro. And expecting from the EU today some cash or some soft loans would be naïve, would be absurd.

So I think that there should be dialogue in Kiev and that the institutions and constitution of Ukraine should be respected. Even if it is for the change, it is to change it now under pressures and under threats and so on, it should be in stable times. Constitution cannot be tailored for a moment and not in this moment.

Robles: And under pressure from the outside. I personally think that first thing they need to do in Ukraine, the very first thing is to get rid of every Western, NATO influenced player on their political stage, everybody from Klitschko to the other so called oppositioners who are taking their instructions from the US.They need to be removed completely from the equation. It needs to be a Ukrainian resolution to their internal Ukrainian conflict. Ukraine is not a state of the USA and it will never be, but..If we could finish up there, I think sir. Any final comment, maybe about 3 minutes? We have to rapid up.

Jovanović : I would like to say that Serbia's and Russian interests are of strategic importance and that these strategic relations have been accompanied by more and more concrete deals. And we need more initiatives from both sides especially from Russian side.

We always share same destiny but I would like to say we should share the same opportunities. I think it is really time and reality calls us, Serbia and Russia, to strengthen and expand their relations. And it is not only to serve their own interests, it is to serve the interests of stability in the Balkans and in Europe.

Robles: And I think we could say in the world.

Jovanović : And in the world as far as Russia is concerned especially, but I cannot attribute such a relevance for Serbia, for tiny Serbia.

Robles: Let's Serbia be a perfect example of what we can do together if we work in peace.

Jovanović : Yes, indeed. There is a need for much more initiatives.

Robles: Peaceful initiatives.

Jovanović : Absolutely. And we have a good ground, we hope that the Gulf Stream will go nicely to be implemented, I think it is not only the interests of Russia and Serbia, it is the interests of the whole European continent. And there are many projects in infrastructure like modernization of railways, metros and energy sector and so on.

I personally have been attached to Russia to come to Dvina river in exploiting mutually with Serbia and Republika Srpska hydro potentials over there. Serbia and Russia and Republika Srpska can do this, we have many good examples of this special kind of cooperation with Russia.

Robles: Well, that is normal, that is good, that is healthy, that is good for the people, that is good for peace, that is good for countries, that is something positive. That is something wonderful. That is something that NATO doesn't want. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Jovanović : We don't have to please anybody else except our peoples.

Robles: That is right, thank you, sir, wonderful.

Jovanović : Thank you.

You were listening to part 4 of an interview with Živadin Jovanović, the former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. And as always we wish you all the best wherever in the world you may be.

 

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