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Attack on Russian Embassy in Libya: A Matter of U.S. "Intervention"

Russian Embassy in Tripoli

Download audio file  19 October, 20:56 

The situation in Libya after the United States and NATO "intervention" has been extremely unstable and continues to spiral into a condition that can only be described as anarchy. With the recent attacks on the Russian Embassy, the rendition of a Libyan citizen by the United States and the reported kidnapping of the country’s Prime Minister, the instability and violence appears to be growing. The Voice of Russia spoke to an anonymous source in the Libyan Defense Ministry to try to understand the reality of the situation on the ground after the Western military operation and the assassination of Muammar Gaddafi. This is the first part of a full text of a longer interview on the latest developments in Libya.

Robles: Following up on the previous information you gave me, I was wondering if you could give us some more details regarding, first off the attack on the Russian Embassy in Tripoli. Now was this actually… in your opinion, was this ordered by the Prime Minister, or was this an independent move by his …?

Source: No, we have no details that the Prime Minister actually ordered the attack. But strangely enough the militia man who was caught and there was another one killed, they were both from the Al-Qaqaa Brigade and the Al-Qaqaa Brigade is related to Mahmoud Jibril who established the Brigade at the end of 2011, and Mahmoud Jibril is a close follower of Mister Zeidan, but that’s the question we are asking ourselves. So these people have also the identification of the Libyan National Army

Robles: So it’s not … so are they …?

Source: So they are not extremists or terrorists or something like that, but they are actual part of the army.

Robles: What conclusion can you reach from that? Was this …?

Source: Well the investigation has gone on and some information is classified, but it’s something that has been organised and something that has been ordered from someone, therefore, it’s not a random attack, and it shows.

Robles: So this was somebody in the Libyan Army, or somebody in the Libyan Government who organised that attack on the Russian Embassy?

Source: Let’s just make one thing clear. Now, the National Army has been set up by elements of these militias, and these militias have their loyalty close to the people who pay their wages, not to the Government. So these elements receive orders not from the Ministry of Defense, sometimes the Ministry gives orders, but they receive orders from their private leaders, or people who they know.

Robles: And who do you think those paymasters are in this case?

Source: Well, as I said the information is still classified because the investigation is still going on, and I don’t want to come to conclusions, but one would logic. These people are part of a brigade, this brigade has been established by this person and attacking an embassy, the Russian Embassy, what cause has this, what reason has this?

It is very simple, they see the American and the Western weakness, they attack Russia because they want to see foreign troops on the ground.

They think foreign troops on the ground, they can create an emergency government, and this emergency government can last 2, 3, 4 years

Robles: So they think that they can actually cause Russia to put troops into Libya and then support them?

Source: That’s the strong theory that we have. Even our chief has a strong theory about it.

Robles: Very strange, very strange. That’s not normally a role that Russia would go about but. Do you think there will be any more attacks like this?

Source: There was an attack 4 days ago in Benghazi on the Swedish Consulate with a car bomb, and half the building is gone, and the area was evacuated then the Swedish staff was evacuated too. Now we have news that the Belgian Embassy and the Greek Embassy want to close their headquarters here in Tripoli. So the situation is a bit difficult.

Robles: So they don’t care what country, or are they targeting specific countries?

Source: So far that the countries targeted have been members of NATO.

Robles: Except for Russia.

Source: They say that the political situation now with Russia is more strong than the United States.

Robles: What about the Prime Minister then?

Source: That’s one thing we were asking. We interviewed people from the area near the hotel, because the Prime Minister claimed that there were one hundred cars, and about I don’t know how many militia men, but the people in the area said they saw nothing. They didn’t even hear anyone when they left or something like that.

Then we interviewed one of his bodyguards, and one of his bodyguards said that there were only 4 people who came, and that 20 minutes before the Prime Minister phoned him and asked him to let pass 2 people who were coming for him, and this personally one of his bodyguards told me.

So when these people came the bodyguards refused to leave Zeidan. He forced them to take them with him. When he was on the way he phoned his brother, and his brother called up the national Army and he told them where he was calling from because he recognized the street. So they managed to release the Prime Minister and free him from that sort of situation.

We later learned that the still images most people saw in the world, there was a young man on the left side of the Prime Minister, and that man is member of the Qaqaa Brigade, the same brigade that attacked the Russian Embassy, and they gave us full details about him.

So when we went to interview him, when he was located in some area, he disappeared, he wasn’t there, even his brother said he left for Tunisia for a couple of weeks.

Robles: So whose orders were they following?

Source: So far the Qaqaa Brigade, the Head and the person who established the Al-Qaqa Brigade is Mister Mahmoud Jibril.

Robles: So the Prime Minister, he lets the 2 kidnappers in, to meet him …

Source: Exactly.

Robles: … and they supposedly kidnap him. Why would he want to stage his own kidnapping?

Source: Maybe to gain something on the public opinion, because there was going to be a vote maybe after Eid, after our holidays for the removal of Prime Minister because of corruption charges and money missing from the national budget, about 12 million, not a short sum, and other cases.

So we’ve heard I think, this is my opinion, but maybe it’s the general opinion that he tried to stage this just to change in public opinion, but it seems that it worked the reverse.

Robles : Doesn’t he have state bodyguards? Aren’t the security services protecting him, or he runs around with his own detail?

Source: Actually his bodyguards are not part either of the Army nor of the Police but of mixed militia. So even he relies on the militias to protect him because they are more heavily armed.

Robles: Oh, so the security services are not protecting the Prime Minister?

Source: Exactly, on his request.

Robles: Oh, on his request. I see.

Source: Exactly, on his personal request. No one of the National Army and no one of the National Police, but part of the militias affiliated to the Interior Ministry.

Robles: Why is that?

Source: Maybe he thinks they are more loyal, that they are paid, and a large part of the Army and the Police are related to the former government, so he is not that secure that they might be loyal to him.

Robles: The other situation that I wanted to ask you about was the situation with the “supposed” terrorist that was kidnapped, he had asylum in the UK.

Source: According to his son he was there for about 9 years, working in a restaurant and in a bakery and he had no problems, he had even British citizenship.

So, when he came back in 2010 after he was given pardon by the Libyan Government for being part of those militias in Afghanistan, which supposedly according to some he never took part in any activity in Afghanistan, he was just there, he did not receive formal training.

Robles: Did you talk to his son?

Source: Yes, we talked to his son.

Robles: This was after he was kidnapped?

Source: Exactly, and his son told us that the people who caught him were not actually American but they were Libyan.

Robles: They were Libyan, are you sure about that?

Source: Yes, 100% sure.

Robles: So this big “American, super-commando, FBI-CIA operation”, they weren’t even involved? Or what? Or were they involved somehow?

Source: According to what we managed to learn from his son directly, he said they were 100% Libyan because they spoke Libyan to him and they looked Libyan to him and they took him in a car and presumably maybe they took him to the central base in Tripoli and there he was transported to the American ship or frigate.

Robles: They took him where?

Source: The American ship, outside the Mediterranean.

Robles: How did they get him out of Libya?

Source: That could have been very simple: from the central base, military base, there’s a central military base near the city of Tajura and there maybe he was transported directly from there on orders from the government.

So our Government presumably knew everything, because in 2010 he was living like a civilian walking, clearly he had no problems at all.

So the question: why now? What’s the use; he was a practically helpless person?

Robles: In your division or department, you didn’t hear about this before it was going to happen, you didn’t hear any details about it?

Source: No, absolutely nothing, we knew nothing about it. So the brigade maybe was from outside of Tripoli, maybe from Benghazi or Misrata.

Robles: Really.

Source: Exactly, orders from Tripoli were not given at all. We knew nothing about it. Even the commander of the special troops from Tripoli were irritated about it.

Robles: Can you tell us about … you told me there were 17 Libyan soldiers that were killed by terrorists, but we didn’t see that, I didn’t see that, and friends of mine looked and we couldn’t find anything about that in the news. Can you tell us what happened?

Source: Yes, there were 27, actually, soldiers that day. They were on patrol in an area between the city of Tarhuna and Bani Walid and they staged a security block, and the terrorists with a car passed and he shot a rocket propelled grenade on the area, but presumably it was a Stinger Missile because the effect, it killed 15 on the spot and 2 died of their injuries later on.

Robles: A Stinger Missile?

Source: Yes, maybe it was a Stinger missile because even a rocket propelled grenade, usually the ones used here are Russian made.

No matter how close the targets are, it cannot kill 15 on the spot. But a Stinger missile can do that because it releases heat actually, and the effects were all devastating many…

When they carried the corpses some had no legs, others had no arms and most of them were burned. But if you check the website of I think, Al-Jazeera.com you will find something mentioned about it I think.

Robles: Oh, on Al-Jazeera there’s something, OK.

Source: Many were irritated because the Prime Minister didn’t attend the funerals at all.

Robles: He didn’t attend the funeral?.

Source: No he didn’t, he was in Germany that day.

Robles: Is it possible one of his groups was involved in that?

Source: No, I wouldn’t go so far as say that, but 2 of those captured we believe they look as though they received money from an agent of Aisha Gaddafi in Algeria.

Robles: I would like you to … if you could, if you could give me a few more details. You mentioned that Jibril, he has connections, if I understood correctly, with Germany. Right, you said?

Source: Yes. But according, that’s something that everyone knew, even after the revolution. He has many investments there, and he has many contacts there, and one thing that many of the lawmakers here have a grudge against Mister Zeidan is that he has no Libyan citizenship, but he has German citizenship, and when he was confronted on that day, just 4 days before he was captured, he said: “I have my German citizenship and I have my reasons for it”.

Robles: And what were his reasons do you think?

Source: He said, he mentioned it to the parliament and he doesn’t need to mention it to the people.

Robles: What is his position now in the country? Is he rising in power, is he a War Lord, or he’s just leading this militia, this brigade?

Source: So far his position has been more weak than he thought. Really, people want him to resign and he said he will not resign unless there is a vote of majority on the parliament and after the holidays on Sunday maybe t here’s going to be another vote for his removal.

Libya: Attack on Russian Embassy Ordered by Zeidan Associates, PM's Kidnapping Fake

Download audio file  17 October, 16:14  

Robles: Do you have any information you can share with us about the recent attack on the Russian Embassy in Tripoli?

Official: The attack on the Russian Embassy was carried out by the Qaqaa Brigade which was established by Mahmood Djebril, on orders from him.

Strangely this brigade has close ties with Prime Minister Ali Zeidan.

One of the militants was captured and he had I.D. of the Qaqaa Brigade and the Libyan National Army.

Robles: What happened next?

Official: Three days later a member of the Tripoli Brigade, was killed by unknown militia.

Now here comes the strange part the kidnapping of Ali Zeidan was a fake. There weren’t more than 4 people involved and one of them was identified as Usama Sweissi from Sirte, a member of Qaqaa Brigade. He is also the personal body guard of Mahmood Djebril.

Robles: Why would it serve the Prime Minister and his associates to stage his own kidnapping?

Official: The motive is clear Ali Zeidan wants to hold his grip on power and is desperate to see foreign troops on the ground. American or Russian, it makes no difference.

In Benghazi, only a day later, another member of NATO had its consulate destroyed by a car bomb.

Robles: You mentioned earlier that there have been many security officials and personnel murdered. Can you elaborate?

Official: So far 104 highly trained officials belonging to the army and the police have been murdered and one thing they had in common was that they had all received training either in Russia or Ukraine.

The second thing they had in common was the fact that the police officers who were killed were investigating corruption in the governments that have ruled after Gaddafi.

Robles: What can you tell us about the kidnapping of Abu Anas al-Libi?

Official: The kidnapping of Abu Anas al-Libi wasn’t done by American commandos but by Libyan Elite Troops based in Tripoli.

It was Prime Minister Ali Zeidan who indicated him on a list, on the suggestion of Abd Ihakim Belhaj.

This was a man who had British Citizenship and lived in the U.K. for 9 years. He was living in Tripoli, in broad daylight since 2010. Why now?

Robles: What else can you add before we have to cut off the connection

Official: Just to conclude sir, 17 Libyan soldiers were killed by a terrorist cell financed by Aisha Algheddaffi. 2 of them were captured and soon the rest will be in custody.

Also the Muslim Brotherhood here is fighting with the secular forces which are both financed by America and France .

Robles: Anything on the situation with the oil? You mentioned before that no one knows where it is going or to whom.

Official: Our oil is leaving the country and is going to Malta, Italy and France amid corruption and bribes.

Attack on Syria is an Attack Against Russia

In an interview with the Voice of Russia, a high-level anonymous official with direct working knowledge of the United States missile defense system stated that the system allows 30-40 percent of all missiles to get through and is highly ineffective against small missiles.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, when asked if he could verify admissions by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan that he controlled the terrorists groups in Syria, including Chechen terrorist formations, stated that this was true.

The official then stated that there were rumors in the Libyan Defense Ministry that it was actually Bandar who delivered the chemical weapons from Israel to the Syrian insurgents and that it was Israel who was pushing the United States for a military attack on Syria.

The official stated that all countries in the Middle East were controlled by the United States except Syria, Iran and for the most part Lebanon, with US representatives normally present at all meetings between the leaders and heads of the Middle East states.

The source also stated that it the ambition of Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan to become the King of Saudi Arabia, that drives him to do whatever the US asks of him as he needs their support to make him the king. His mother is not of royal lineage so he is ineligible to be the king.

The official explained the urgency of the United States and US President Barrack Hussein Obama to invade Syria as being due a drive to diminish growing Russian influence in the Middle East and surprisingly as revenge for Russia’s refusal to hand over Edward Snowden.

He stated that Russia’s growing and prospering economy and the US’s ever weakening economic condition is causing countries in the region to look towards Russia and this is unacceptable to the US administration.

When asked about the Muslim Brotherhood, he stated that since its creation by MI6 in the 1940s it had been under the control of the West and was in fact in no way a religious organization. Under several dictators over the decades the Muslim Brotherhood has become a radical armed force.

When asked if the Saudis in fact really controlled Chechen terrorist formations the official revealed that even during the Bosnian War the Bosnian Muslims were controlled and funded by the Saudis, who are controlled by the US and that the Bosnian War was also staged to weaken Russian influence in the region.

The source said he had met with Osama Bin Laden’s brother and that the Bin Laden family were still operating in Saudi Arabia. He added that Osama Bin Laden was never questioned or impeded in Saudi Arabia.

As in Iraq and other post-US-invasion countries such as Afghanistan and Serbia, the United States through its surrogates in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who said is also sponsoring Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups operating in Syria and the Middle East, attempted to instruct the regulate the reformation of the Libyan Army. Qatar attempted to persuade Libya to forego plans for tanks divisions and air-force formations and insisted that Libya merely maintain a small fractured army so it would not pose a threat.

When asked about Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad the official said that he was a very peaceful and intelligent man who limited his own role to dealing with the social circumstances and well being of his people. He said the West’s attempt to portray President Assad as some sort of mad dictator were ridiculous and that there was no way he would ever have launched a chemical attack on his own people in an area that was completely under the control of the Syrian forces. Especially since President Assad is winning.

The urgency of the US attacking is also due to the fact that, as he said, the Syrian insurgents and terrorist forces cannot hold out anymore than 3 or 4 months, they have effectively been almost beaten. The fact that the West has spent millions funding and arming and training these groups makes their urgency that much more pressing.

Full transcript of interview to be available soon on the Voice of Russia

Saudi Prince Bandar Delivered Israeli Chemicals Agents to Syrian Terrorists - Part One

Download audio file 31 August, 2013 01:46

A high-level anonymous official with the Libyan Ministry of Defense granted an interview to the Voice of Russia and discussed matters of intelligence surrounding the chemical attack in Syria. After recent threats by Saudi Arabia against Russia for supporting Syria, this area was focused on. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, when asked if he could verify admissions by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan that he controlled the terrorists groups in Syria, including Chechen terrorist formations, stated that this was true. The official then stated that there were rumors in the Libyan Defense Ministry that it was actually Bandar who delivered the chemical weapons from Israel to the Syrian insurgents and that it was Israel who was pushing the United States for a military attack on Syria.

Hello! This is John Robles, I’m speaking with an anonymous member of the Libyan Defense Ministry.

Robles: Hello Sir! How are you?

Source: I’m fine, thank you.

Robles: I’d like to ask you some very serious questions regarding, first, the Saudi involvement in the Middle East, in particular with regard to terrorist organizations and formations. Can you tell me anything that you might know about US and Saudi involvement with terrorist formations in Libya and how they might be operating in Syria?

Source: Well, most of the organizations that have been working here have been; not eradicated, but rather exiled to the eastern part of Libya. That’s where they are most active.

In the western part of the country criminal activity is very low, but in the eastern part – Benghazi, Derna, Tobruk – the criminal activity is quite high and most of these are extremist groups, funded mostly by Qatar, more than by Saudi Arabia.

Robles: I see. Would you say these are US-backed groups?

Source: It is possible that they are backed by the United States because these groups do not operate without their consent. Saudi Arabia does not operate without the consent of the United States, because they consider any move from Middle Eastern countries to be a threat to their national interests. So, they ask first advice and then permission.

Robles: So, all the countries in the Middle East, they ask the United States for permission before they do anything, is that what you say?

Source: Exactly! Especially after the invasion in Iraq most Arab countries have felt they are under threat. In fact I remember in 2004 there was a meeting between Arab countries and we were present there, it was near Tripoli. At that time there was Gaddafi and he received a letter during the meeting and jokingly he said “the fax from America just arrived”. But it was more a confession than a joke, I think.

Robles: Do you know the contents of that fax?

Source: No, we weren’t allowed to see any of those documentations.

Robles: I see. But this happened all the time?

Source: It happened all the time. In fact, most of the meetings were attended even by foreigners, non-Arabs.

Robles: And these were meetings between Libyan defense officials and who else? Who was present?

Source: Libyan defense officials, interior ministries of all Arab countries. In fact, all the Arab countries have a unified protocol in case of protests, in case of “cracks”in their governments. The recent Saudi aid in Bahrain and the recent financial support by Qatar to Kuwait under crisis, this shows that they are unified. And most of the Gulf countries have been pressuring for Hosni Mubarak to be released. And Saudi Arabia gave no support for our liberation from Gaddafi, nor to the Tunisians against Ben Ali.

Robles: Saudi Arabia gave no support.

Source: Absolutely no support and in any case.

Robles: What I’ve heard, I'm very concerned about reports that Saudi Prince Bandar, he threatened Russian President Vladimir Putin that he would release Chechen terrorists at the Sochi Olympics. And during part of the conversation which was released, which I’m sure he thought would be secret, he admitted and he said that they control Chechen terrorists, they control the terrorists in Syria, according to his words. Is that true?

Source: Yes, I believe that is true. Some rumors were spoken here in our Defense Ministry that the nerve gasses, that the chemical weapons used against Syrian civilians were brought by Bandar from Israel and given to the rebels. I don’t believe that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people.

Robles: I don’t think so either. So, the rumors have it there that the chemical weapons that were used in Syria, that actually Bandar was involved in this and they came from Israel, originally?

Source: Yes, those are the rumors. And who benefits from this? Mostly Israel. They are the ones which would want it in fact more than the United States.

Robles: What about Saudi Arabia? What is Saudi Arabia’s role then in the Middle East? What are their goals? Is this religious or is this oil?

Source: It is neither, I think. They just follow the orders. From the oil’s they give only 11 million barrels. They have no natural gas resources. And from the religionthey are mostly conservative closed in their areas.

And as the continuing Shia fight, Syria is now 85% Sunni. So, there is absolutely no role. They just provide what the American and British governments want, that’s all.

Prince Bandar is just under something that’s been in force for many years, I think for all his life. He wants the throne for himself and maybe he thinks that allying with the United States that they might help him to become the king of Saudi Arabia. But it is very difficult because there are about 5,000 princes,and only 40 are eligible and he is out of the race for that part.

Robles: So, Prince Banda, his ambition was to become the king?

Source: Exactly! His father, late father, was the heir to the throne, but he passed away a year ago, Prince Sultan. But because his mother is from a legitimate background, not from a royal background, he is not eligible to take the throne, even if he is the eldest son.

Robles: I see. But he was supposed to be helped by the United States or has that been stopped? Or what is going on?

Source: Exactly! He is trying to buy their graces so they might pressurize the Saudi Government to let him be heir of the throne, something which in the Arab world we know about.

Robles: That’s not something most of the rest “us” know about. So basically, what you are telling, I mean, this is pretty shocking. You are telling me that, basically, every country in the Middle East is following the US’s instructions.

Source: That’s what it is essentially especially in the Gulf countries. Before the revolution maybe Russia had a greater influence over North Africa, France over the Maghreb countries from Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and so on. But after the revolution mostly the Americans have gained upper hand from this point of view.

The real battle is between Russia and America. Thetwo superpowers that control most of the region. And the Russian economy has been speeding up in the past 8 years and this is something (for the first time in which) the American administrationhas no say.

Robles: And the US economy has been going down, and it’s in a very dire state right now. Can you tell us a little bit about what you know about the Muslim Brotherhood? What kind of an organization is it?

Source: Looking first at the origin of the Muslim Brotherhood, it was formed in 1940 by the British Government as a form of response to King Farouk who did not like the British occupation of Egypt. They were supported, they were funded, they were trained and they were armed.

President Gamal Abdel Nasser joined them when he was 18 years old, because he was a very strong Muslim conservative and he thought they were nationalists. But after two years he left them, found them very radical and their focus on supporting political candidates. So, nothing related to religion.

They had a strong development under the dictatorship of Gaddafi, Ben Ali and Hosni Mubarak. They became a radical armed force. Prior to the revolution they became more popular. In the civil protests they gained the respect of the people as a solution against dictatorship. But after one year people in Egypt and Libya found them more oppressive, than the previous dictators. The recent changes in Egypt show that that armed forces were actually called upon by the people.

Robles: You said the Muslim Brotherhood has no religious agenda.

Source: They have no religious agenda at all, because in Islam something called a political party, political religion is a violation of the Islamic law in principle. It is the way the Hezbollah and all other political factions related to religion – they just want to gain massive support. But in Islam itself religion and politics should not go hand by hand.

Robles: I don’t know if you are aware of these threats by the Saudi prince against Russia. Do the Saudis really control Chechen terrorists, in your opinion?

Source: Yes, even long ago, even the Bosnians. The Bosnian war you know,in the Balkan war, the Bosnian actions were supported and funded by Saudi Arabia, because the opposing side, the Serbianside was supported by Russia. And this is something everyone knows.

It is very difficult toopenly say that - I’m going to support Chechen terrorists against Russia – because that would be a violation of international law. And I don’t believe the Chechens are ready for this, nor they believe in it.

Robles: OK, what do you think about this now, this would technically make Saudi Arabia a sponsor of terrorism?

Source: This is something which everybody knows. I mean,the Bin Laden family they are still operating normally. Osama bin Laden was never questioned in Saudi Arabia and he was never considered a terrorist at all. And most of the money that is going to terrorists held in Iraq are all from Saudi Arabia and all from Qatar.

Robles: Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Source: I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Tarek Bin Laden about 5 years ago in Dubai.MrTarek Bin Laden, Osama’s brother.He had an office near the palace, and I met him by chance through another Saudi Mr. Mohammed Dohteri, his lawyer. And I saw this man was always going heavily guarded, but like he is distanced from the family. He doesn’t seem like someone who is very religious or something like that, on the contrary. So, I don’t know what kind of family, not a loving family, he’s a member of the family.

Robles: Can you tell us about that meeting? What happened? What can you tell us about Osama bin Laden’s brother?

Source: It was a meeting between the Libyan Ambassador and other ambassadors when they were there at security forum. He shook our hands “with me and one of my colleagues”. He was talking there only English, his Arabic was quite weak. I started talking with him in English, and nothing like like that. He didn’t seem a very calm person. But he was always going heavily guarded, I don’t know why.

Robles: You say his Arabic was bad but his English was better. Was his English British or American?

Source: It was more American.

Source: "Bashar Assad a respected man who lives a very quiet life" - Part Two

Download audio file  3 September, 02:56 

A high-level anonymous official with the Libyan Ministry of Defense granted an interview to the Voice of Russia and discussed matters of intelligence surrounding the chemical attack in Syria. After recent threats by Saudi Arabia against Russia for supporting Syria, this area was focused on. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, spoke about the tires between the Saudis and the Bin Laden family and Al-Qaeda terrorists. In the second part of the interview he details how four members of Qatari Intelligence were killed for attempting o undermine Libya’s ability to protect itself. The official’s voice was digitized by associates of the author to protect his identity and it has been verified.

Robles: Can you tell us about that meeting, what happened? What can you tell us about Osama Bin Laden’s brother?

Source: It was a meeting between the Libyan Ambassador and other ambassadors when they were there at security forum. He shook our hands with me and one of my colleagues. He was talking there only English, his Arabic was quite weak. I started talking with him in English and nothing like.. like that. He didn’t seem a very calm person. But he was always going heavily guarded. I don’t know why.

Robles: You say his Arabic was bad but his English was better? Was his EnglishBritish or American?

Source: It was more American. It was more American because maybe he studied in the United States I think for 4 years.

Robles: Is he active now in Al-Qaeda or any groups that you know about?

Source: No, I don’t believe that he is active in terrorist things, but I heard a long time ago from one of the people in the Libyan Embassy that his companies they used for money laundering, by the UAE family, especially Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid. They used this company mostly for money laundering, and the bank that laundered the money are situated in the island of Kish in Iran, between Iran and Abu Dhabi.

Robles: Back to Syria, you’re I think very knowledgeable for this. What is your opinion on these gas attacks, or these chemical weapons attacks, and then there was another supposed attack a few hours ago. Do you think this is all being fabricated? What’s your opinion on these attacks?

Source: I think it is very unlikely that he must use such weapons, especially when the whole world media looking at him. He didn’t use them in the beginning of the war, he didn’t use them a year ago, he is not going to use them now.He is receiving lots of infantry support from Hezbollah and from Iran and from groups in Iraq, and he is getting the upper hand, and because maybe he is getting the upper hand that’s why the support for Al-Qaeda and the rebels are bound to use a new strategy to undermine him.

Robles: He was winning against these so-called rebels.

Source: Absolutely, he’s taking the upper hand, and he’s controlling very well, and I don’t think they can keep for more than another 4 months. Militarily speaking as a man of military I mean in the army, I consider the rebels can hold on for another 3 or 4 months maximum at this stage.

Robles: So you think they will be, these so-called rebels, they will be defeated in about 3 or 4 months?

Source: Yes I believe that.

Robles: So this is why the US is so urgently trying to invade the country right, or launch air strikes?

Source: Exactly.

Robles: What can you tell us about the groups in Syria now, the different groups? Where are they from, who’s controlling them, and how many of these are like real rebel or opposition forces in your opinion?

Source: The main rebel groups are from Libya, Pakistan and from Tunisia. These are the main groups we know about especially from both Libya we have a whole list of them they are from ethnic (unintelligible). The Libyan groups are amixture of Algerian and Tunisian groups and they come from Derrida, Derrida which is an area, a very contested area between Libya and Algeria

While the Pakistani groups are groups that have, that are supported by Saudi Aabia. In fact I remember reading in one of your newspapers where the speaker of the Taliban was thanking his Arab friends for some support. This gives us an idea who the Arab friends are.

Robles: So the Taliban, he was thanking his Arab friends, or his Saudi friend?

Source: He just mentioned the Arab friends.

Robles: In your opinion this would be Saudi Arabia controlling these or or Egyptian.

No, I don’t think that the Egyptians had anything to do with that, absolutely,even at the times of Hosni, or now, or even at the time of Morsi, they had always a passive role, they never believed in supporting terrorist groups because they are afraid that these groups might propagate inside Egypt. They never had support either financial,nor militarily, nor even politically. Just a passive role.

Robles: So the main sponsor here is Saudi Arabia and Qatar then?

Source: Saudi Arabia and Qatar, yes. They had an incident about 8 months ago. I shouldn’t talk about it but I will just tell you. There are four members of the Qatari Intelligence came to the new military base here, the air field base in Tripoli, and they had a meeting on how to organize the Libyan military. There was a quarrel with our generals who refused all points. The four members of the Qatari intelligence left the base and they were shot by rocket propelled grenade, at 200 metres outside the base, and I remember that… I know the person who gave the order and then they were killed.

Robles: Wow. And they were trying to organise the Libyan army for what, to go into Syria,or do you know any details of that, what they wanted?

Source: No, the organization was meant to make it fragmented and weak. They refused to, for example, support the Air Force or create a tank division. Our military wanted to create 4 tank divisions and include an Air Force with10 to 15 active planes, and they refused those two points, they wanted just brigades andinfantry.

There was a big quarrel and then there was a big fight and I remember I received a call from one of my colleagues and he explained to me what happened and he said we shot them all. And I knew when he said he had shot them all,I know what he meant.

Three days later there was an attack on the Saudi Embassy here, and the UAE Embassy and the Kuwaiti Embassy, underlining the strategy that these 3 or 4 countries, they operate together just like one front and now all 4 embassies are closed.

Robles: Which four countries? I think this is important. 

Source: UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Robles: Now listen, my last question, regarding Syria. What is the real objective in Syria?

Source: There are two known objectives we know about. One is weakening Russia’s influence in the Middle East, that’s one thing. The second thing is for fixing the Israeli borders, that’s for sure. By weakening, they are weakening all the armies in the Middle East so they don’t pose a threat to the Israeli National Security.

These are the two main points that’s why they are creating a (unintelligible).Everything … what happened isthat they are out of control. They thought they couldcontrol it, they thought they could make a quick transition like the one that happened in Egypt and in Tunisia, and they believedthat the coalition that Bashar Al-Assad has only 200 or 300 supporters. While in reality,believe me I’m not trying to be supporter of his family, he has about 70% of the people. He is a very respected man because he lives a very quiet life. He doesn’t take a strong active role into the politics actually, he just tends to mend the social problems of the system,and he was trying to improve things.

Robles: Yes, I’ve seen Bashar al-Assad, I’ve seen him talk, I’ve studied him a little bit, and he seems like a very intelligent, even quiet and I think genuinely peaceful man. That’s my opinion of him anyway.

Source: Exactly. No, no that’s the main opinion. He’s a surgeon, graduated in the United Kingdom, and in the UK they followed him during his 5 or 6 years in university and he never caused any problems. He’s not an extravagant bloke who goes to pubs or drinks. He lives a very quiet life, he’s been an academic all his life, and even as President he neveroffended any country, even face to face. They tried to give the picture to the world of this monster, but actually it failed, because watching him talk you realize that certainly he is a true politician. Even in Libya here, even amongst the revolutionary people, people who took part in the Libyan revolution we have supporters, lots of supporters.

Robles: How will an armed conflict in Syria spread to the other countries in the Middle East, and how is this going to be a threat to the United States and to Israel? Worse than anything that could possibly happen right now, people are talking about this could possibly lead to World War Three. What’s your opinion?

Source: In my opinion that doesn’t pose a threat to the United States. It poses a threat possibly to Israel. The Arab states will lose complete control over their future, and this can lead to a full-scale war, at least not now but in 2 or 3 years, and the outcome of it. That’s why the West is being very cautious about it, because Iran will intervene, the Shia in Lebanon will intervene, then the Sunni will intervene, the Druze will have to go into the war. Even the factions who have nothing to do with the fight- the Druze and the Christians - they’ll be forcefully into it and it will create a complete mess.

Robles: I see.

What is Happening in Syria is an International Conspiracy  - Part One

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Download audio file 10 August, 22:46

Recent statements by the Deputy Director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency seem to point to a change or shift in U.S. policy towards Syria but things are not so simple and the war hawks in Washington branding Syria, a small country on the other side of the world as a “threat to U.S. security” is dangerous provocative and points to the continued beating of the war drums and plans for an invasion of Syria. As in Libya the West is after the resources. A member of the Libyan Defense Ministry spoke to the Voice of Russia on condition of anonymity and sheds light on the real reasons for the invasion of Libya by NATO and their plans for Syria.

Hello! This is John Robles, I’m speaking an anonymous member of the Libyan Defense Ministry.

Robles: You responded to my article about Syria. You were involved in the situation when they overthrew Gaddafi. Can you tell us a little bit about what was going on with the West there and how they were targeting people?

Source: It was in Nadyut, in the mountain area. We actually repaired there 20 tanks from a seized military base. And we had contacts with the NATO Air Force that we were holding the tanks and repairing the tanks. There were about 20, as I’ve mentioned. And we placed them near the Zayer Area, which is a bastion for supporters of Gaddafi.

We were preparing not for an attack, but just surrounding it. And we had informed the NATO forces about it. And the next day at about dawn, maybe an hour or two after dawn prayers the NATO air force completely destroyed the 20 tanks without any prior reason, without anything and explaining nothing to us.

And that many times our advancements were pushed back by, as they said, mistaken attacks.

We had no trust at that point. So, for a long-long time we were stationed stable in a stalemate position, for about two months. We had no direct contact with Gaddafi troops. We were shooting with heavy artillery and they were answering back with heavy artillery. So that was the main point.

Robles: You were fighting against the Gaddafi forces, but you were also being attacked by NATO?

Source: Exactly! On both sides. They were like keeping us in a stationary position. We couldn’t advance. There was like a red line every advancement we were pushed back by sky. And the same thing for them.

Robles: I’d really like to hear a lot more of what actually really happened there in Libya. And I’d like to hear your opinions on what is going on in Syria. Because now, it seems that the United States, the CIA, has stated that: first they are against Bashar Assad, the y arm the rebels and now they are saying the rebels are going to be a danger. Apparently, the same situation occurred in Libya. Can you give us your opinion on that and tell us more about what happened in Libya?

Source: I will start with Libya. In Libya we have a very strong tribal system which excludes, sometimes tribes within the same country. So, it is difficult for example for someone to come and work in the Tripoli Brigade because by his surname we know from where he comes. And we refused many foreign militants coming from Tunisia because most of our fighters, they were based in Tripoli, coming from Tunisia and coming from Wazen, which is a small village close to the Tunisian borders.

And many Tunisians, Egyptians, Algerians were coming from that side and we were pushing them back because we didn’t want any foreign militant intervention, because we knew most of them were either there for looting or they were members of extremist groups.

So, we decided to set up our brigades according to our cities – Zawiya, Misrata, Benghazi, in this way everyone knew his… It was like neighborhood vigilantes. Each one knew his neighbor. Each one knew his brother. Each one knew his cousin. So, it was difficult for anyone to infiltrate.

Robles: Can you tell us in more detail how was the West involved in all this? How was NATO involved? And if you could, shed some light on what happened in Benghazi? That would be wonderful, if you know anything about that.

Source: You mean during the war, right?

Robles: During the war and when so-called Ambassador Stevens was killed. And during the war, you said many of you comrades were killed by NATO forces.

Source: Exactly! About the American Ambassador, I don’t know really honestly what happened there. But some of my comrades in the army who were at a meeting the day before, they said there was a meeting with some ambassadors from European countries and he was actually warning them about the situation in Libya, that there was actually raising, not extremism, but rather militia control.

And that is something we suffer from right now because the police has absolutely no control. They lost the power they had a long time ago. As for the army because the militias have more power, they have more firepower and they have more numbers and obviously, they have been involved in looting. Most of them are former prisoners, or former regime members who have hidden behind the militias.

About the American Ambassador, honestly, we are very sorry for what happened to him. He was a good man, he was working for the interests. But I don’t know what’s happened there.

Robles: We have heard reports that it was not actually an embassy in Benghazi, but a CIA base and they were actually passing arms to Al Qaeda terrorists that were imported into Libya. Have you heard anything about that?

Source: Honestly, no. But we know that Al Qaeda in Libya does not actually exist. We have extremist groups who have fought in Afghanistan. But Al Qaeda, as an ideology does not exist.

Most of them even opposed the ideology of Bin Laden. And no one here has any support for him. It is just a geopolitical situation you know, as I told you, we have a strong tribal system which refuses any foreign militants and foreign ideology, even within the militias.

Robles: So then, how would NATO explain its foreign intervention? How could NATO be allowed to be involved in the country then? And can you give us some more details on how NATO was bombing your comrades, please?

Source: I believe that… What are the rumors that we were talking about during the war, is that we were very, very much surprised that NATO intervened within months, maybe a month or two. And it was the French President who pushed them because he was promised a share of the oils in Brega Area by the so-called transitional Government at the expense of the Russian and Turkish interests.

That’s why the Russians and the Turks were mostly opposing the intervention of NATO, because NATO is more like a cancer. It is more that a national or international police force, or military intervention force. They were seeking, exactly, what resources we have here.

Robles: So, they were only after the resources.

Source: That’s obvious. We are a country that produces about 2.4 million barrels of oil a day and we have electricity shortages for about 8 hours a day. Where is this all going?

Robles: It is not going to help the Libyan people. Who is in control of Libya right now would you say? Is anybody in control other than these militias? And if the militias are in control, who is controlling the militias?

Source: You see, for example, in Tripoli there are three main militias here controlling the area. But they are working well and they are being opposed by the Government. They are not receiving their wages and withstanding that, they are still working as if nothing is happening. They are under due stress. The militias are controlled by people and trusted by the people themselves. They have been elected you can say sort of in a democratic manner.

But people have been strained by the so called pseudo militias who have been set up in a vacancy because the police officers left their jobs.

Robles: I see.

Source: At the beginning, I remember, after the fall of Tripoli there were 300 policemen for the capital only. So, we had to recruit as many people as we could, and sometimes without control, without knowing their past or whether they were prisoners or addicts, or criminals, or anything.

But now the situation, sorry for interrupting you, is that the people are exhausted by the militias and even the members of militias are exhausted by the unstable situation. For example, there are about 30 militias that have broken up and they have joined the National Army. Very-very slow process.

Robles: Do you think that the National Army is somehow going to be able to bring all these militias under its own wings? Is that a reality? I mean would that be possible?

Source: I believe it could be a reality because they are actually backed by the people. Before, I remember when we used to walk in the streets patrolling, we were saluted by the people, we were given presents, we were hailed as heroes.

Then, two-three months after that it seemed they were looking at us in a different manner. They were exhausted by the successive power, lying on one side without any control. So, we have to make a drastic solution because by removing a dictator and then putting in another dictator…it is a very difficult situation.

Robles: I see. As far as this situation in Syria, if we can talk about that. I’d like to get your opinion on the US’s supposed change of position. What do you think is going on in Syria? I mean, they are supporting, they are importing mercenaries, they are importing terrorists to fight the Government. What do you think the goal is in Syria?

Source: I believe that what is happening in Syria is obviously an international conspiracy. And it is all targeting for two things: targeting to reduce the Russian power on gas and protecting the Israeli border by breaking the supply between Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran. That is an obvious situation. And second and most important of all, the CIA agent, director or co-director said that Syria poses a threat to the United States. So Syria poses a threat to the United States in any case.

Robles: It seems very odd to me because Syria is a small country, it is on the other side of the world, it has never threatened the United States, but all of a sudden it is a threat to the United States.

Okay, they’ve said they want to get rid of Assad as the leader, they want to forcibly remove him. And now they are saying that all these imported mercenaries and freedom fighters are going to be a threat. So, my thinking is that they are preparing for some scenario where they go in and just kill everybody. Do you think that’s possible?

Source: From the military point of view I believe that the Europeans and the Americans realize that the war… supporting the rebellion has been lost in this sort of manner. And they want to take a side in the future. So, they want to start talks first with Iran and through Iran with Syria, not direct talks with Syria.

The Free Syrian Army is composed mainly of the former military who have been court martialled in a way or another either for theft or rape or murder, or something like that. And most of the militants, for example, that left for Syria from Libya, they have been either former drug addicts or prisoners, or extremist groups. Honestly, we got rid of them more than anything else.

Robles: So, a lot of them you think came from Libya, like Libyan criminals and killers.

Source: Yes. Just a couple of weeks ago a colleague of mine was showing me a video of a friend of his who has had a video from Syria. And he told me this friend of his was imprisoned for 11 years for drug dealing and all that and now he is a freedom fighter. So we were joking about it. This just one example. They are not going there to save the country, they are going there either loot steal or to trade weapons, nothing more.

Robles: We had a very maybe dark humor joke about, they had this video… what was it? About a month and a half ago of one of their leaders cutting out and eating what he thought was the heart of a soldier. So, they have cannibals there as well. It is horrible!

Source: And that happens on both sides, unfortunately. I saw a video also of a Syrian military beheading an opposition fighter with a mechanical chainsaw. So, these things happen. They are sort of blood-drunk.

Bashar al-Assad is Engaged in Self-Defense - Part Two

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Download audio file  13 August, 16:42

The Deputy Director of the US Central Intelligence Agency recently stated if the government of Bashar Al-Assad falls, something the West has been orchestrating, the small country on the other side of the world will become the largest “threat to US security”. The Voice of Russia spoke to a Libyan Defense Ministry official who wishes to remain anonymous for his views on the issue. Libya was just one of a recent series of countries to fall victim to US “humanitarian” invasion or “intervention” and the reality there is particularly topical, especially given the light that the situation on the ground negates all of the “democracy spreading” claims of the West.

Source: They are sort of blood-drunk in the sense of violence.

Robles: Both sides?

Source: Yes. This happens on both sides and the international community just tries to evidence more Bashar al-Assad’s “violence”, while this violence is made really to protect himself, in self-defense, as you could say.

Robles: Do you think the government of Syria has the right to protect the governmental structures of the country, even, maybe they weren’t the best government, but…?

Source: I believe that the Syrian government has the right to protect its people, not its government at the expense of its people. Using heavy artillery in a random manner is absolutely incorrect.

Robles: You think that is taking place in a random manner?

Source: Yes, obviously most of the Grad missiles, the Russian Grad missiles, they use, they have no radar control over the position of the target. There is a military tactic known as “burning blind” that is at random, wherever it shoots, it shoots.

Robles: I see. Syria was pretty much of a secular country, I think. There were many different ethnic groups and different religions before all of this started. What do you think is going to happen if the government falls? There have been people saying that all the Coptics, all of the Jews, all of the Sunnis, Alawites, or “Shia” I’m sorry, would be killed.

Source: Exactly. That’s what will happen. And the Druze in the “Swada?” area because they took no position, and the Kurds in the northern area. It will happen pretty much as in Iraq.

During Saddam’s regime it was a pretty secular country. There was no such thing as Sunnis, or Shia, or Christians, or anything else. But they split because one side was supported over the other side, which created the sectarian violence.

This will happen if Assad’s regime falls. But if he maintains his actual governing position, or he defeats the opposition, he has learnt a lesson also.

He will surely start reforms because he knows he will never last with the military power. Pretty much even now there are many Syrian refugees here, and there are Christians, there are Alawites, there are Shias and they are certainly remembering the old times.

Robles: Were the old times bad?

Source: Pretty much, I think.

Robles: What about in Libya? Do you think it’s better today than it was before?

Source: Some things have improved but some things haven’t, you know. There is less corruption in the institutions, there is more freedom of speech, but at the expense of the security situation. I mean, financially the businesses are doing well, there is money flowing in, the wages are going well. There is no… That’s the problem, the security situation, there’s a difficult as well situation .

Robles: I see. As far as I understood, before under Gaddafi the Libyan people had anything they wanted. Everybody had the right to a home, free healthcare and free education. Is that true?

Source: No. Regarding the healthcare, even the national or state-owned hospitals, had been making the patients pay. Free education, that was relative. In the form of money you had to pay some sort of fee.

Robles: Listen, back to the CIA now. What do you think their plan is for Syria?

Source: I believe that they were misled by the Saudis and the Gulf countries, the Gulf states and they realized that they know nothing about the real situation in Syria.

The Syrian government is backed by a superpower like Russia. I think they will always look backwards. They realized that their strategy has in a word of manner “failed”.

Robles: What do you think they are going to do next? Any predictions?

Source: No. I believe that they realize that democracy in the Middle East does not work and the “Islamic Democracy” does not work at all because religion should not be mixed with politics and politics should not dilute religion. They are returning to military-style dictatorships, realizing that it’s the better form of government for the people.

Robles: What do you think is the best form of government for the people, especially in Libya?

Source: The average Libyan person is a very peaceful person. We are not violent, nor have sectarian problems nor have issues, from that point of view. All they ask is a simple life, that’s all. Dignity in life, mostly.

Robles: I heard the same thing about Iraq. I had some friends who were there for a few years. And they said before a Shia man could marry a Sunni woman and everything was normal. Now there is so much sectarian hatred that Sunni people are leaving barrels of blood on the doorstep of Shia families to tell them to leave and stuff. Is that true?

Source: Exactly. Exactly. That happened. But here, in Libya, there is no problem even with family members, you know the Bathetite women here in Tripoli and no one is harming them, no one is telling them anything, or taunting them, or preventing them from living a normal life. We have no sectarian problems or even tribal problems.

Our main problems are small criminal gangs, which have bought weapons because there was obviously an outbreak of weapons from the military bases and trade was very extensive and we couldn’t control it.

Robles: So, the biggest threat right now to security in Libya would be these armed criminals that are still running around free in the country, right?

Source: Exactly. That’s the problem, the contraband and stuff. But in terms of violence related to extremism, or Islamic extremism, it doesn’t exist at all.

Robles: Oh! Okay.Anything else you’d like to finish up with, because I’ve taken about 20 minutes of your time already, so if there is something else you’d like to add, I’d really appreciate it.

Source: I believe the situation can return to normal if we have a very strong-back government. Our government is very weak, very, very weak.

We don’t know even the names of the foreign minister, the minister responsible for economic development. They hardly give any TV interviews. That’s something! It’s like, you know, leaving the kids at home without parents.

Robles: You don’t even know the names of your foreign minister and your officials?

Source: Absolutely not. We know the Prime Minister only and they keep changing all the time. They keep resigning all the time.

Robles: Why is that?

Source: The answer to that is difficult. Maybe because they find themselves not adequate, or maybe they are being threatened, or… Difficult situation that’s the problem. If we have a strong-back government, I think even the security situation will improve.

Robles: As a member of the military, how would you say the command structure is operating? Is it operating normally? How is your command structure?

Source: From the point of the Army, the Army is operating very well, it is very well organized and very well armed. Our biggest deficit is the police. There is no police in place in the cities so we have to take their job and our job and there’s no coordination, from that point of view.

If we have a very strongly trained police force I think we can improve the security situation. But we find ourselves sometimes outnumbered. And many ask police officers why they are not returning to their posts. They tell us they are afraid, they don’t have weapons, they don’t have backing.

I remember a police officer telling me once that they captured two murderers and these murderers were freed by their cousins, in a raid on the prison and they couldn’t do anything about them. They just stood watching.

Robles: All these weapons that were introduced into Libya, where do you think they came from?

Source: Most of the weapons have come from the military bases of Gaddafi we found large stockpiles at the bases and we know that when there was a financial problem many people started selling rifles, guns and all that. But that is to say with the number of weapons that have been flowing and comparing it to the security situation I think it’s very positive.

There are very few gun-related fights, especially in the capital. Outside the capital like Misrata, like Rawalia, like Lairn, all these have strong tribal systems the flow of weapons was near zero, gun fights are near zero, because tribal rules control these districts, but in Tripoli there’s a mix of ethnicities and no tribal rules.

Robles: Before we started recording you said something had happened there in Tripoli, that there was a gunfight or something?

Source: Just 15 minutes ago there was a gunfight between two gangs. They called us to intervene about 15 minutes ago. They called us to intervene and the gunfight was so heavy and they were killing each other that the police force and the army decided just to control the perimeter and leave them killing each other. Over drugs or something like that it wasn’t a fight involving civilians.

Robles: Did any people die, or can you talk about that?

Source: As far as they told me, about 18 people died and 25 were injured. That’s the approximate estimate.

Robles: This was like two drug gangs or something?

Source: Exactly. Two gangs that might be related to drugs, or alcohol, or like that. There were no civilians. But it was an initial report.

Robles: Is that normal in Tripoli right now? Does that happen often?

Source: It happened in one of the poorest districts in Tripoli.

Robles: Does that happen often?

Source: No, absolutely not. At the end of Ramadan, for example, there were no fighting incidents reported. Absolutely, the security situation was fine.

Robles: Your predictions and then we’ll finish up, if you can.

Source: My predictions, I believe, I see that there is a slow progress towards stability. But since we have a government that is volatile we will never improve, nearly enough to be stable. Truly stable.

Robles: Have you seen the West and the United States playing a stabilizing role in Libya or a destabilizing role?

Source: The only concrete steps taken by Western governments have been the Turkish government and the German government. So far that’s what they’ve seen with our own eyes, because there are German, Turkish and also British citizens here in Tripoli. They feel very welcome here. They walk in the streets normally even at night, and I hear from them very positive comments, and some were even surprised to see families walking during Ramadan at 2 or 3 o’clock in the morning.

Robles: Any US influence, since it doesn’t sound like they are doing anything there?

Source: No we don’t see, from that point of view, even investments, or in education or any support or charity that’s supported by interests in the U.S. involved.

Robles: Nothing? What about the resources? Are they taking all the resources?

Source: What I said sir. We are a country that produces 2.4 million barrels of oil a day and we have problems with electricity. So, I don’t know where it is going.

Robles: You have no idea?

Source: No idea.

Robles: It’s not going to the Libyan people, I guess.

Source: Well that’s definitely not from what I see now.

Robles: Thank you very much for agreeing to speak with me!

Source: You are most welcome!

Robles: It was very interesting thank you very much! I’d like to be able to contact you in the future if it’s okay?

Source: I’ll hope so, I hope so John.


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